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Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:51 pm
by Ervin
The truth as I see it is that the Infinite Good doesn't judge. However I do believe that there is good and evil.
What I mean is who is to say that evil is wrong to the infinite Good that you might believe somewhere somehow exists?
So who is the judge in deciding what's what according to your knowledge and or beliefs?
Thanks
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:23 pm
by equilibrium
Do you mean the truth doesn't judge?
What is "infinite good"?.....this is subjective....no?
Good and evil / good and bad.....yes, these are your "believe".....again subjective.....imagination.
knowledge and beliefs are nothing but information.....again subjective.
according to your knowledge and or beliefs?
You really don't want to do that.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:26 am
by LonesomeYogurt
Ambalatthika-rahulovada Sutta wrote:"Whenever you want to do a bodily action, you should reflect on it: 'This bodily action I want to do — would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Would it be an unskillful bodily action, with painful consequences, painful results?' If, on reflection, you know that it would lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both; it would be an unskillful bodily action with painful consequences, painful results, then any bodily action of that sort is absolutely unfit for you to do. But if on reflection you know that it would not cause affliction... it would be a skillful bodily action with pleasant consequences, pleasant results, then any bodily action of that sort is fit for you to do.
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"Whenever you want to do a verbal action, you should reflect on it: 'This verbal action I want to do — would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Would it be an unskillful verbal action, with painful consequences, painful results?' If, on reflection, you know that it would lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both; it would be an unskillful verbal action with painful consequences, painful results, then any verbal action of that sort is absolutely unfit for you to do. But if on reflection you know that it would not cause affliction... it would be a skillful verbal action with pleasant consequences, pleasant results, then any verbal action of that sort is fit for you to do.
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"Whenever you want to do a mental action, you should reflect on it: 'This mental action I want to do — would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Would it be an unskillful mental action, with painful consequences, painful results?' If, on reflection, you know that it would lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both; it would be an unskillful mental action with painful consequences, painful results, then any mental action of that sort is absolutely unfit for you to do. But if on reflection you know that it would not cause affliction... it would be a skillful mental action with pleasant consequences, pleasant results, then any mental action of that sort is fit for you to do."
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:23 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings,
LonesomeYogurt's quote covers it nicely.
In short.... Affliction = wrong,
and non-affliction = right.
Metta,
Retro.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:53 am
by ground
Wrong and right are relative, dependig on context and empirical. If X is desired and A is conducive to get X but B is hindering then A is right and B is wrong in this context of desiring X.
Ervin wrote:The truth as I see it is that the Infinite Good doesn't judge.
The truth may be that "Infinite Good" is just an idea but possibily cannot be found anywhere else but in mind as an idea.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:04 am
by Ervin
What I am asking is if you believe there is infinite good wich would be infinitely gentle and fair wich I believe is the Source of everything that exists , wich is in your case according to your beliefs Budha. Now if Buddha is infinitely good wich wich means hem ( I imagine according to your beliefs Buddha wouldnt be him or her, so I say hem instead) would be infinitely good wich means infinitely gentle and fair, the how could hem say that there is such thing as wrong. I can imagine that there is good and evil, but to someone like what I believe is the Source or what you believe is Buddha can anything be wrong?
Thanks
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:13 am
by daverupa
Ervin wrote:What I am asking is if you believe there is infinite good wich would be infinitely gentle and fair wich I believe is the Source of everything that exists , wich is in your case according to your beliefs Budha.
But that's not quite accurate. This word 'infinite' carries a lot of weight for you, but it's going in non-Buddhist directions.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:24 pm
by James the Giant
Ervin wrote:What I am asking is if you believe there is infinite good wich would be infinitely gentle and fair wich I believe is the Source of everything that exists , wich is in your case according to your beliefs Budha.
Ervin, I don't mean to be discouraging, but I really
really think you need to go back to the start and have a read of some basic books which may help clarify to you what Buddhists believe.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:43 pm
by dude
Ervin wrote:What I am asking is if you believe there is infinite good wich would be infinitely gentle and fair wich I believe is the Source of everything that exists , wich is in your case according to your beliefs Budha. Now if Buddha is infinitely good wich wich means hem ( I imagine according to your beliefs Buddha wouldnt be him or her, so I say hem instead) would be infinitely good wich means infinitely gentle and fair, the how could hem say that there is such thing as wrong. I can imagine that there is good and evil, but to someone like what I believe is the Source or what you believe is Buddha can anything be wrong?
Thanks
What I am asking is if you believe there is infinite good wich would be infinitely gentle and fair wich I believe is the Source of everything that exists , wich is in your case according to your beliefs Budha
The Source is the Law, to which a Buddha is awakened. A Buddha is a living being awakened to the Law, not separate or in essential nature different from living beings in the other realms, such as the hell, human and animal realms. The Law is manifest and inherent in all things, but only a Buddha perceives it clearly without illusion.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:31 pm
by BubbaBuddhist
Philosophers and scientists have been forever asking "Why are things the way they are and not some other way?"
My son when he was five years old would have answered, "Because!"
It's as good an answer as any.
BB
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:19 am
by m0rl0ck
its not about right and wrong, its about suffering.
Re: Why is wrong wrong and right right?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:55 am
by dude
m0rl0ck wrote:its not about right and wrong, its about suffering.
Gassho. That is precisely correct.
"Good" is called good because it leads to reduction of suffering The greatest good leads to the end of all suffering.
Bad is bad because it leads to suffering.