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My opinion on perspective,

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My opinion on perspective,

Postby xtracorrupt » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:50 pm

My opinion on importance is that happiness is right therefore a perspective can be better then another perspective if it brings more happiness

Ps, Earlier this thread was me saying nothing can be defined but i changed my mind
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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby Reductor » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:54 pm

Please define 'nothing'.

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby DAWN » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:12 pm

Only silence is "right"
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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:30 am

:goodpost:

Yes, that sounds right to me.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby Dan74 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:32 am

You can be right or wrong relative to a system of axioms or aims. So if you aim is not to get run over by a car, it is best to cross the road with care. Crossing the road carelessly would be the wrong thing to do relative to this aim.

If you aim is to come up with mathematically correct results, then you would would to use Peano axioms and rules of predicate calculus to make deductions. So Pythagoras asserting that the square of the long side of a right-angled triangle is the sum of squares of the other sides is mathematically correct, given the axioms (+Euclid's fifth axiom = flat space), it is also what we observe if we try to measure a triangular sandpit in our backyard. It is not correct if our triangle spans miles, both due to the unevenness of the terrain and more fundamentally the curves nature of the Earth.

So "right" or "wrong" are always with respect to some initial assumptions or "rules". Without them, there is no possibility of a discourse anyway.
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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby pegembara » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:50 am

So if it is right for a tiger to eat a deer, is it right for it to eat a small child?
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby ground » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:09 am

Some food for thought (inspired by D. Perdue's "Debate inTibetan buddhism", Chapter 3, i.e. partially quoted and arbitrarily amended):

Approaching "definition"

A definition may be considered to be the actual object (phenomenon) defined and necessarily refers to the definiendum which may be considered to be the name designated to that object (or designated to the phenomenon which is transformed into an object of thought by this designation). Of course since a conventional "name" in most cases evokes an idea and since the combination of "name" and idea is often referrred to as "concept" actually the definition is a verbal expression intended to standardize the idea aspect of a concept by means of a verbal delineation of what it is suggested to mean inter-individually thus trying to exclude everything else and thus suggesting a convention.

A particul definition, or characterizer, and its definiendum, or that characterized, are mutually inclusive. Mutual inclusion has two components. First the things mutually inclusive must be phenomena which are different that is they must be not exactly the same in both name and meaning. Obviously, any two mutually inclusive phenomena must be different in name, but their meaning, all the phenomena which they include or all those things to which their names can properly refer, must be just the same. The second requirement of mutually inclusive phenomena is that they be mutually pervasive; whatever is the one is necessarily the other. Both of these requirements of mutually inclusive phenomena obtain for any particular definition and its definiendum.The definition is considered to be the actual object defined and the definiendum is considered to be the name designated to that object.

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby Yana » Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:29 am

Life is preparing for Death

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby DAWN » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:51 am

Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Why nobody is wrong or right

Postby pegembara » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:21 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.


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