I will try to read it tomorow.
beeblebrox wrote: DAWN wrote:
Dear Suttametta, can you please tall us what are this 12 links? Or if there is any sutta about?
Thanks you !
Hi Dawn, with the 12 links they mean paticcasamuppada, or the dependent origination. It's a frequent teaching given by the Buddha.
The 12 links are: ignorance, formations, consciousness, nama-rupa, six sense bases, contact, feeling, craving, clinging, becoming, birth, and then aging and death.
Shame on me !
I’amcomplitely forgot that 12 links can be only 12 links of depending origination.
So, here we go!
I will try to make some analysis from 12 links of depending origination.
So 12 links of depending origination tell us that rebirth is both literal and “logical”.
-Because depending origination is logical, condition make consequence, one movement – one effect. It can be seen if we try to answer the question HOW (mouvement) they moves.
-Because 12 depending origination links comes together, they can not be devided, separate one from another, we can not delete one link and keep an another. It can be seen if we try to answer the question WHAT (concept) is moved.
So the rebirth is literal and “logical” at the same moment.
It makes a reference to movement of sub-atomic particles.
Because at the same moment they moves:
-Like wave (logical-each-moment-rebirth). We can not say that this action (kamma) don’t produce any consequence, have no effect, that one condition don’t rebirth like consequence. So we can not say that every action have no any consequence.
-Like particle (literal). We can not separate condition from consequence. It’s a same movement flow of depending origination. So we can not say that two lifes are separated one from another, that they are completely different.
So actually kamma rebirth by both way at the same moment, like each-moment-wave-of-actions, and like flow of undevides conditions and consequences.
Each dhamma rebirth like wave and like a particle.
Each dhamma moves like a wave and like a particle.
Rebirth is a perfect exemple of non-duality.
Like a ball leaded by inertia.
His kamma (action on environement) have a straight movement: from past to future; and lateral: sound/vibration waves.
So both point of wiev are right, and that why they can not take an point of agreement - because speculation works in both ways.
I hope it can be understood not only by aliens
, but by peoples too