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DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?

well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!

alan... wrote:

DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?

well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!

Great !
Job is done

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If your mind tries to tell you it has already attained the level of sotapanna, go and bow to a sotapanna. He’ll tell you himself it’s all uncertain. If you meet a sakadagami, go and pay respects to him. When he sees you, he’ll simply say, "Not a sure thing!" If there’s an anagami, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you only one thing, "Uncertain!" If you meet even an arahant, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you even more firmly, "It’s all even more uncertain!" You’ll hear the words of the Noble Ones: "Everything is uncertain. Don’t cling to anything!"
Ajhan Chah

alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?

Oh man, i love the easy ones

Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.

m0rl0ck wrote:

alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?

Oh man, i love the easy ones

Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.

In other words 0, since as we know samsara=nibbana

Dan74 wrote:

m0rl0ck wrote:

alan... wrote:it seems like there are some different ideas. what are yours?

how do you define it? what is it like? what does it mean?

Oh man, i love the easy ones

Dead simple. Its whats left over when you subtract samsara.

In other words 0, since as we know samsara=nibbana

Well to misquote the lankavatara sutra: They are not the same, nor are they otherwise.

I think i remember hearing a dharma talk where the teacher said something like, "They are exactly the same, but different.

My understanding of samsara is that its primarily a mental disorder and that reality, our natural state, is nibbana. I suppose that reveals my mahayana tendencies

Kinda like form and emptiness, 0 and infinity, Buddha and the shitstick?

It's not a teaching of Buddha, but logicaly, void is condition to form, they are interdependant, like all duality.

Dan74 wrote:Kinda like form and emptiness, 0 and infinity, Buddha and the shitstick?

Yeah, like linchi railing against buddhism, there is no where to point away from it.

DAWN wrote:

alan... wrote:

DAWN wrote:And if there is a clear knowledge that was arise in me : "it's liberated".
Should i concider it like Nibbana attainement?

well if that happens as described in the suttas then yes!

Great !
Job is done

49
If your mind tries to tell you it has already attained the level of sotapanna, go and bow to a sotapanna. He’ll tell you himself it’s all uncertain. If you meet a sakadagami, go and pay respects to him. When he sees you, he’ll simply say, "Not a sure thing!" If there’s an anagami, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you only one thing, "Uncertain!" If you meet even an arahant, go and bow to him. He’ll tell you even more firmly, "It’s all even more uncertain!" You’ll hear the words of the Noble Ones: "Everything is uncertain. Don’t cling to anything!"
Ajhan Chah

nice quote!