what gets reborn

[convivium]

Nobody has the slightest idea how anything material could be conscious.

we are still trapped in outmoded cartesian categories. even though we haven't figured out consciousness, we can have a strong (if vague) idea of what it might look like when we do.

[kirk5a]

Nobody has the slightest idea how anything material could be conscious.

we are still trapped in outmoded cartesian categories. even though we haven't figured out consciousness, we can have a strong (if vague) idea of what it might look like when we do.

Such as?

[polarbuddha101]

Convivium is basically just repeating John Searle verbatim. So you may want to go to the source to understand convivium's point kirk because Searle will explain it more thoroughly.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ruepqOLPBk


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les ... 80&bih=616

[kirk5a]

Convivium is basically just repeating John Searle verbatim. So you may want to go to the source to understand convivium's point kirk because Searle will explain it more thoroughly.

Thanks for that. I did read the wikipedia article on biological naturalism. Can't say I'm up to hours of video. I was hoping for a summary of whatever Convivium meant by "a strong (if vague) idea of what it might look like" (when we figure out consciousness). I didn't see that.

[Nyana]

we are still trapped in outmoded cartesian categories. even though we haven't figured out consciousness, we can have a strong (if vague) idea of what it might look like when we do.

Maybe, but collapsing experience into neurological processes and declaring causal closure hasn't resolved the issue, and there are scientists and philosophers who think that this reductivism (which includes a number of so-called "non-reductive" approaches) is part of the problem. Thus, there's good reason to think outside of these reductivist boxes. John Searle, quoted in the Journal of Consciousness Studies:

At our present state of the investigation of consciousness, we don't know how it works and we need to try all kinds of different ideas.

[BuddhaSoup]

I looked up the Journal of Consciousness and read this article: "The (Sum of n)=n Concept And the Quantitative Support for the Cerebral-Holographic and Electromagnetic Configuration of Consciousness" and now my brain hurts.

[nonik]

I don't know.

[convivium]

i've studied a lot with searle at berkeley and am starting a graduate seminar w/him tomorrow. so yeah, i'm kind of biased (searle bashes almost everyone). i agree with a lot of what he says but not all of it.

[gavesako]

Rebirth and Not-Rebirth in Buddhism - Ashin Ottama

Published on Jan 21, 2013
Last 25 minutes of this video present new understanding of 'afterlife'. Jump directly to position 01:01:55.
CONTENTS of the video:
00:30 The epicenter of original Buddha's Message
07:10 God-Creator versus the Buddha
10:40 Karma, Rebirth, Samsara, Bhumi
24:00 Buddhism without beliefs
27:25 Here-and-Now against the 'Dharma-cake'
30:55 Additions and later created teachings
36:05 Spiritual 'landscape' with many peaks
39:26 Ajahn Buddhadasa
53:40 Rebirth and Samsara in the Scriptures
1:01:55 Indications for rebirth
1:03:00 Children's memories, tapping collective memory
1:07:05 Unreliable hypnoses and regressions
1:12:00 Mind undocked from brain
1:16:20 Near Death Experiences
1:18:15 Sweat-through pajamas
1:20:50 New understanding of 'afterlife'

This video is a Buddhist Dharma-talk, but the last half-hour is highly recommendable to all thoughtful people: it points to the unexpected nature and reality of 'afterlife'.

http://youtu.be/RGeTBmRqpfY