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jhana pre buddhist, hinduism today and so on.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby mirco » Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:44 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:14 pm

I realise that I didn't quite grasp what you were saying in the second reply so this responce does not matter please delete mods TY
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Postby SarathW » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:05 am

Hi Alan
I was doing lot of Nifty (experimental) things and got nifty experience in the past.
Though I was born as a Buddhist I did not have any clue for real teaching for a long time.
So I spent lot of time learning Christianity, Hinduism , Islam, Judaism and many more.
I think they all help me to put the things in perspective.
Now I know where all these thing fits together.
Remember Buddha also did lot of nifty things before his enlightenment.
The Hinduism link I used was:
http://www.hinduism.co.za/

PS:Please do not waste lot of your time as I did! :)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Postby robertk » Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:12 am

Just to note that the mundane jhanas mentioned in the suttas are the same as those attained by wise ascetics at pre budda times.
For those who master the jhanas ( no longer possible at this time) they can be used as a basis for insight by seeong thir inherent instability.


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