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i didn't say that.tiltbillings wrote:I rather doubt that samadhi was any more widely known in "ancient India" than it is now.Dmytro wrote:alan... wrote:Only some enthusiasts attain samadhi, it is not a widely known art, as in ancient India.
Dmytro wrote:Only some enthusiasts attain samadhi, it is not a widely known art, as in ancient India.
you know better than modern authoritative commentators, for example, on the yoga sutra and all translators who render "nimitta" of jhana as "sign"? what qualifications do you have to make such bold, sweeping statements?Dmytro wrote:When I read modern authoritative commentaries, for example, on Yoga-Sutra, it is evident for me that the authors don't comprehend the full meaning of the text.
The same applies to the Suttas. The translators who render "nimitta" of jhana as "sign", IMHO, don't know some important practical nuances of the original texts.
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[quote="alan..."]I rather doubt that samadhi was any more widely known in "ancient India" than it is now.Dmytro wrote:Only some enthusiasts attain samadhi, it is not a widely known art, as in ancient India.
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[quote="alan..."]I rather doubt that samadhi was any more widely known in "ancient India" than it is now.Dmytro wrote:Only some enthusiasts attain samadhi, it is not a widely known art, as in ancient India.
It's amazing that you consider a bold and sweeping statement my opinion on the meaning of the term 'nimitta' in jhana.alan... wrote:you know better than modern authoritative commentators, for example, on the yoga sutra and all translators who render "nimitta" of jhana as "sign"? what qualifications do you have to make such bold, sweeping statements?
that's impressive and surely deserves further explanation as to how you came to be such an authority on these topics.
I take nimitta as "theme" in most cases, but it's a lively word.beeblebrox wrote:Hi Dmytro, thanks for that link on the "four noble truths" translation issues, and also for pointing out the meaning of nimitta. I think that "sign" can be read as "representation," but probably that's not how some people would read it, so it's important.
Dmytro wrote:It's amazing that you consider a bold and sweeping statement my opinion on the meaning of the term 'nimitta' in jhana.alan... wrote:you know better than modern authoritative commentators, for example, on the yoga sutra and all translators who render "nimitta" of jhana as "sign"? what qualifications do you have to make such bold, sweeping statements?
that's impressive and surely deserves further explanation as to how you came to be such an authority on these topics.
Seems like that anyone who dares to have such opinion should have authority and status?
(also) from your link:alan... wrote:opinion: definition 3 a: "a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert"Dmytro wrote:It's amazing that you consider a bold and sweeping statement my opinion on the meaning of the term 'nimitta' in jhana.alan... wrote:you know better than modern authoritative commentators, for example, on the yoga sutra and all translators who render "nimitta" of jhana as "sign"? what qualifications do you have to make such bold, sweeping statements?
that's impressive and surely deserves further explanation as to how you came to be such an authority on these topics.
Seems like that anyone who dares to have such opinion should have authority and status?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/opinion
yeah hey mostly i was just playing around man. hope you know that. i was just responding to you quoting me the def. of "largely" earlier. have a good one.Dmytro wrote:Thank you, Alan, I appreciate your reference.
Speaking about qualifications - I'm a qualified definitionalist
Exactly.Dmytro wrote:Any tradition is a system of transferring knowledge, - a process of education which involves terminology. Samadhi states exist independently of traditions. With the partial lost of terminology, the art of education is partly lost. And then talented enthusiasts attain samadhi, but can't teach it to public at large.
well, that is laughable.tiltbillings wrote:I rather doubt that samadhi was any more widely known in "ancient India" than it is now.Dmytro wrote:Only some enthusiasts attain samadhi, it is not a widely known art, as in ancient India.
Is it?rahul3bds wrote:well, that is laughable.tiltbillings wrote:I rather doubt that samadhi was any more widely known in "ancient India" than it is now.Dmytro wrote:Only some enthusiasts attain samadhi, it is not a widely known art, as in ancient India.