Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby barcsimalsi » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:30 pm

I have a hard time understanding what is "craving for non-existence". If one does not want to exist, how is it relate to craving? It is like implying if one says one does not want food thus one is craving for non-food, how does this makes sense?

Plus, if birth is suffering, suppose non-existence is free from suffering. I can't see any difference between the end of one's birth and the end of one's existence?

The Nikaya seems to be very evasive on the question of whether a person who attained Nirvana still exist or not after death so i hope any members here can help out my question above, thanks in advance.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:43 pm

Craving for non-existence can mean not wanting to live, or not live after death, but also it can mean general aversion

For example not wanting a hangover, craving for the non-existence of a hangover

So it basically means aversion
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:51 pm

Plus, if birth is suffering, suppose non-existence is free from suffering. I can't see any difference between the end of one's birth and the end of one's existence?


From my understanding of the suttas the point is to stop giving birth to "I am", that is to stop clinging to, and identifying with, that which changes, causes dukkha and is not self

When we do that there is the deathless as there is no identifying with that which ages and falls apart (body, feeling, perception, thoughts and counciousness) "you" aren't reckoned in terms of that (body, feeling etc) ... I am not that, this is not my self etc

It seems what you are doing is identifying with the body, or feeling etc and taking a view of annihilationism. That is when this body ceases, "I" will cease, and taking Buddhism at aiming at that, which it isn't :)

Your view of death being an end is also not self, as are all view points and opinions
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:59 pm

The Nikaya seems to be very evasive on the question of whether a person who attained Nirvana still exist or not after death so i hope any members here can help out my question above, thanks in advance.


Any attempt to "locate" an arahant after death throws you straight back into Clinging, into views of self or no self, straight back into a net of views and opinions etc, just as trying to locate an arahant when they are alive does
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby mirco » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:57 pm

SarathW wrote:According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana. Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?

I think it is. For sure.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Arjan Dirkse » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:13 pm

Yes. No. Maybe.

I think life doesn't come equipped with pre-determined purpose. Purpose is something you need to give it, now that you have this life, what do you do with it?
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Kusala » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:13 am

SarathW wrote:According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana.
Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?


Samsara is void of reason...

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