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Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby barcsimalsi » Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:30 pm

I have a hard time understanding what is "craving for non-existence". If one does not want to exist, how is it relate to craving? It is like implying if one says one does not want food thus one is craving for non-food, how does this makes sense?

Plus, if birth is suffering, suppose non-existence is free from suffering. I can't see any difference between the end of one's birth and the end of one's existence?

The seems to be very evasive on the question of whether a person who attained Nirvana still exist or not after death so i hope any members here can help out my question above, thanks in advance.

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:43 pm

Craving for non-existence can mean not wanting to live, or not live after death, but also it can mean general aversion

For example not wanting a hangover, craving for the non-existence of a hangover

So it basically means aversion
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:51 pm

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:59 pm

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby mirco » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:57 pm

"An important term for meditative absorption is samadhi. We often translate that as concentration, but that can suggest a certain stiffness. Perhaps unification is a better rendition, as samadhi means to bring together. Deep samadhi isn't at all stiff. It's a process of letting go of other things and coming to a unified experience." -

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Arjan Dirkse » Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:13 pm

Yes. No. Maybe.

I think life doesn't come equipped with pre-determined purpose. Purpose is something you need to give it, now that you have this life, what do you do with it?

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Kusala » Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:13 am

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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby SarathW » Wed May 14, 2014 1:55 am

Some thing relevant to this topic:
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Venerable Sariputta’s questions are on thoughts and concepts. Let us
now try to translate the above catechism.
"With what as object, Samiddhi, do concepts and thoughts arise in
a man?" - "With name-and-form as object, venerable sir."
"But where, Samiddhi, do they assume diversity?" - "In the elements,
venerable sir."
"But from what, Samiddhi, do they arise?" - "They arise from
contact, venerable sir."
"But on what, Samiddhi, do they converge?" - "They converge on
feeling, venerable sir."
"But what, Samiddhi, is at their head?" - "They are headed by
concentration, venerable sir."
"But by what, Samiddhi, are they dominated?" - "They are dominated
by mindfulness, venerable sir."
"But what, Samiddhi, is their highest point?" - "Wisdom is their
highest point, venerable sir."
"But what, Samiddhi, is their essence?" - "Deliverance is their essence,
venerable sir."
"But in what, Samiddhi, do they get merged?" - "They get merged
in the deathless, venerable sir."
Some noteworthy points emerge from this catechism. All concepts
and thoughts have name-and-form as their object. The eighteen
elements account for their diversity. They arise with contact. They
converge on feeling. They are headed by concentration. They are
dominated by mindfulness. Their acme or point of transcendence is
wisdom. Their essence is deliverance and they get merged in the
deathless. Be it noted that the deathless is a term for Nibbana. Therefore,
as we have stated above, everything has the potentiality to yield
the deathless, provided radical attention is ushered in.


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“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Denisa » Thu May 15, 2014 2:22 am

I think it's not a question of "why we are here?" but a question of "what we are doing with this rare and precious human life?"

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Mkoll » Thu May 15, 2014 6:16 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby ancientbuddhism » Thu May 15, 2014 4:00 pm

I say, beware of all enterprises that require new clothes, and not rather a new wearer of clothes.” – Henry David Thoreau, Walden, 1854

Secure your own mask before assisting others. – NORTHWEST AIRLINES (Pre-Flight Instruction)


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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Mkoll » Thu May 15, 2014 8:32 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Javi » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:08 am

Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Pasada » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:09 am

I tend to agree with Hobbes:

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That's what samsara amounts to, really: having to feed, being fed upon in turn. There is no in built "purpose" to it, but by practicing Dhamma we give our existence a purpose and direction that it would otherwise lack.

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Thisperson » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:02 am

Ajahn Chah's advice on the subject, narrated by Ajahn Amaro.

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Pinetree » Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:25 am

A child has a self, just shorter memory. I believe psychologists say that a child's self is bigger than an adults, not smaller.

And I don't think memory is the issue (as in our future and past). Memory just expands on the issue, which is craving.

As for meaning ... that's something completely different, it is a representation of a goal, and while it is true that many people have a goal based on their self, we really shouldn't overlap meaning with self.

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Alex123 » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:12 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Saoshun » Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:31 pm

We are here because somebody have sex and you appear as combination of biological aspects, nirvana is just opportunity for human to realize mind nature.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

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