The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:40 am

daverupa wrote:I am referring to the fact that early materials primarily define samatha-vipassana as paired qualities, not different paths of practice, and was sort of wondering about the issue of the 'cherry-pick' that such a Theravada interpretation of these qualities represents. But it's been discussed elsewhere at length, and might easily derail this thread...


This does assume there's a reliable method for determining what the early material is - but yes, that's another discussion. ;)
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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby Bretteo » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:51 pm

mettafuture wrote:Master Gautama detailed 40 meditation objects over the course of a 45-year teaching career. So why is it that Western Buddhists focus on just 1 or 2 of these objects (eg. anapanasati and metta)? Is it because our dhamma teachers don't feel that contemplating the elements or recalling the qualities of the Buddha could be compatible with our cultural sensibilities? Perhaps they aren't. But if that's the case, maybe we need to change something about ourselves rather than continue to selectively disregard large portions of the dhamma.

I also feel that it may be a mistake to introduce breath meditation to every new Buddhist as their first meditation object. I've heard people try to make the point that anapanasati can fulfill all four satipatthanas, therefore special attention doesn't need to be given to the individual satipatthanas. But does it really make sense to skip developing at least a rudimentary understanding of the body, feelings, consciousness, and mental objects before jumping ahead to the breath?



I would love to have a set of lessons to follow and practice, but i find so much information everywhere it's hard to compile it into my own situation.
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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby mettafuture » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:43 am

I've been working on a concise list of introductory resources. Here's what I have so far.

Introductory Material:
The Buddha’s Teachings As It is by Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi
Mindfulness in Plain English [free ebook] by Ven. Gunaratana

Intermediate Material:
In The Buddha’s Words by Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi
The Four Foundations of Mindfulness in Plain English by Ven. Gunaratana

Advanced Material:
Satipatthana: The Direct Path to Realization by Ven. Analayo

Pali Nikaya Translations:
Digha, Majjhima, Samyutta, Anguttara [free anthology]

Weblinks:
Access To Insight
Audio Dharma

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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:52 am

mettafuture wrote:I've been working on a concise list of introductory resources. Here's what I have so far.

Introductory Material:
The Buddha’s Teachings As It is by Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi
Mindfulness in Plain English [free ebook] by Ven. Gunaratana

Intermediate Material:
In The Buddha’s Words by Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi
The Four Foundations of Mindfulness in Plain English by Ven. Gunaratana

Pali Nikaya Translations:
Digha, Majjhima, Samyutta, Anguttara [free anthology]

Weblinks:
Access To Insight
Audio Dharma

[link to this post]
I liked it better when you had Ven Analyo's book listed.
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SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby mettafuture » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:55 am

tiltbillings wrote:I liked it better when you had Ven Analyo's book listed.

It's a brilliant book, but perhaps it might be too weighty for a non academic?
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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:58 am

mettafuture wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:I liked it better when you had Ven Analyo's book listed.

It's a brilliant book, but perhaps it might be too weighty for a non academic?
It is worth the struggle, but it is not for every one.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.
"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: The Breath, and Cherry-Picking for Cultural Convenience

Postby mettafuture » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:09 pm

tiltbillings wrote:
mettafuture wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:I liked it better when you had Ven Analyo's book listed.

It's a brilliant book, but perhaps it might be too weighty for a non academic?
It is worth the struggle, but it is not for every one.

I've added it back. :reading:
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