Sekha wrote:householders are not necessarily attached to the above things
The act of going forth and giving up material possessions for a holy life isn't something that can be devalued. It's a very significant act that most householders don't want to do, or can't do because of personal obligations.
From your original statements, it sounds like you consider monks in general as invariably more advanced than any layman
I didn't say "invariably more advanced." I said "a step ahead." A step implies a little, not a lot.
I don't see any evidence that teaching anapanassati to everyone is inaccurate
I never said teaching anapanasati to everyone was inaccurate. I said that anapanasati may not have been the meditation object that the Buddha wanted the laity to start with because there's little evidence in the Tipitaka to suggest this. But you do find several suttas where the Buddha prescribes devotional practices to the laity.
And the teachers who imply that breath meditation is the only meditation that matters, or try to secularize the teachings by saying that rebirth and kamma are merely states of mind are presenting the Dhamma in an inaccurate way.
Lazy_eye wrote:I don't recall coming across any teachers who teach only breath meditation and ignore everything else
Unfortunately teachers of this type exist. This is what I'm objecting to.
Just last week I heard this excellent talk
by an contemporary teacher on the topic of the recollections.
I'll give it a listen.
reflection wrote:You keep saying wasn't the intended only practice. Just to be clear, I never said so and already agreed other things deserve attention as well.
Then we agree.
But for me anapanasati is very beneficial and it is my main 'formal' practice. I don't need suttas to support or argue this because I see the benefits directly.
And I don't object.
Because to say monastics are by definition further with the practice is not true.
They were in the Anapanasati Sutta (MN 118
)."I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying at Savatthi in the Eastern Monastery, the palace of Migara's mother, together with many well-known elder disciples — with Ven. Sariputta, Ven. Maha Moggallana, Ven. Maha Kassapa, Ven. Maha Kaccana, Ven. Maha Kotthita, Ven. Maha Kappina, Ven. Maha Cunda, Ven. Revata, Ven. Ananda, and other well-known elder disciples."
In this text, the Buddha was addressing elder monks, arahants, and stream-enterers.
If you feel you need some other teachings, I think it is best to talk to teachers in private.
The Buddha wouldn't have taught 40 objects of meditation if he didn't feel that we needed to at least know about them.