convivium wrote:That's why I called it "effectively transcendental".In my eyes transcendental implies some sort of existence
The only possible sense in which the world of becoming could stop becoming, as it were, is if somehow consciousness (first person, qualitative, subjective experience) does not arise to experience it.
Dhatu is a very interesting word. To understand what it means requires that we look at how it used. And do we assume that "element" means in the context of usage some separate thing.convivium wrote:Is the nibbana element in any way comparable to other elements (dhatu)?
But the books do tell us some things.lyndon taylor wrote:Describing Nirvana for most of us is like a first year medical student trying to describe the actual experience of performing brain surgery, You can read all about it in books, but till you actually do it, you don't really understand.
tiltbillings wrote:Dhatu is a very interesting word. To understand what it means requires that we look at how it used. And do we assume that "element" means in the context of usage some separate thing.convivium wrote:Is the nibbana element in any way comparable to other elements (dhatu)?
Dhātu: 'elements', are the ultimate constituents of a whole.
I The 4 physical elements dhātu or mahā-bhūta popularly called earth, water, fire and wind, are to be understood as the primary qualities of matter. They are named in Pāli: pathavī-dhātu, āpo-dhātu, tejo-dhātu, and vāyo-dhātu In Vis.M XI, 2 the four elements are defined thus:,Whatever is characterized by hardness thaddha-lakkkhana is the earth or solid-element; by cohesion ābandhana or fluidity, the water-element; by heating paripācana the fire or heat-element; by strengthening or supporting vitthambhana the wind or motion-element. All four are present in every material object, though in varying degrees of strength. If, for instance, the earth element predominates, the material object is called 'solid', etc. - For the analysis of the 4 elements, see: dhātu-vavatthāna
Is any one doing otherwise?lyndon taylor wrote:Absolutely, but if you're a first year medical student describing brain surgery, it might be a good idea to stick to quoting the books, my point?????
lyndon taylor wrote:Over on freesangha, Tilt, they're saying all kinds of things!!! Not so much here!!!
Consciousness in the context of the 5 skandhas, vinnana - is sense consciousness, i.e., cognitive thoughts. Thoughts arise and cease, but that which is aware of the arising and ceasing does NOT arise nor cease.
Vinnana is NOT the Citta - thoughts are NOT the True Mind. But people confuse this all the time.
Thoughts arise and cease. But the True Mind does not arise nor cease along with those thoughts.
It is extremely important to make this distinction.
http://www.freesangha.com/forums/genera ... /#msg64294
Not so much here.lyndon taylor wrote:Over on freesangha, Tilt, they're saying all kinds of things!!! Not so much here!!!
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