Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

An open and inclusive investigation into Buddhism and spiritual cultivation

Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby brightside77 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:51 am

Please Don't Take This as a :soap:

For my own practice this represents a distillation - something I can adhere to on a daily basis that "gets the job done":

Meditate
Practice Lovingkindness and Revoke Self-Centeredness
Be Present in this Moment
See What's Really Happening and Accept It - Stop Trying to Filter Reality
Be Grateful
Practice Right Speech
Always Give Your Best Effort
Be A Moral Person
Lighten Up, Smile, Spread Happiness :smile:


Blessings to you and your loved ones - may you have good health, be happy, and enjoy the contentment the practices of selflessness and compassion bring.
brightside77
 
Posts: 2
Joined: Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:43 am

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby appicchato » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:05 am

:thumbsup:
User avatar
appicchato
 
Posts: 1598
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:47 am
Location: Bridge on the River Kwae

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby SarathW » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:05 am

It is funny you ask that!
I want to ask “Whether we are trying to make Buddhism bigger than Ben Hur”
I enjoyed that film by the way. :popcorn:
The problem is Buddhism is so simple but hard to comprehend. Sometimes we get into the analysis paralysis.
Sometimes I have to remind myself “Just let it go”
:)
SarathW
 
Posts: 2224
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:49 am

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby manas » Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:40 am

Hi brightside, thanks for sharing that. I can relate to the desire for simplicity. This comes from a slightly different angle, but: sometimes when I'm walking down the street, caught in a temporary hell of my own creation, worrying about this and that, I stop myself and ask, "but what problem do you have right now? You are walking down a street in a peaceful Land, there are trees around, birds singing...yet your mind is full of stress? Just walk! You're just a man walking down a street, that's all. Right now, let there be just this much: walking..."

Good to simplify things when the situation warrants it :)

But, when it comes to the practice as a whole, we really do need to develop the entire Noble Eightfold Path, all eight factors. While trying to live and practice with simplicity, there is no short cut or quick fix, as far as I know, that is going to eradicate craving and thus dukkha, apart from this. But yeah we do what we can, according to our current level. Even just a little is better than nothing at all. Even just a moderate amount is better than just a little. That's how I see it.

metta
:anjali:
Last edited by manas on Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
manas
 
Posts: 2129
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:21 am

Greetings,

Nothing wrong at all with those 9 things you list... but haven't you just complicated Buddhism further by adding yet another list to an already enormous corpus of exegesis that already exists on Buddhism?

I think those things you mention all find a natural home already under the existing schema of the Noble Eightfold Path...

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


Dharma Wheel (Mahayana / Vajrayana forum) -- Open flower ~ Open book (blog)
User avatar
retrofuturist
Site Admin
 
Posts: 14674
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:52 pm
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby Crazy cloud » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:24 am

brightside77 wrote:Please Don't Take This as a :soap:

For my own practice this represents a distillation - something I can adhere to on a daily basis that "gets the job done":

Meditate
Practice Lovingkindness and Revoke Self-Centeredness
Be Present in this Moment
See What's Really Happening and Accept It - Stop Trying to Filter Reality
Be Grateful
Practice Right Speech
Always Give Your Best Effort
Be A Moral Person
Lighten Up, Smile, Spread Happiness :smile:


Blessings to you and your loved ones - may you have good health, be happy, and enjoy the contentment the practices of selflessness and compassion bring.


Nice and neat list - I remove "meditation" as a single stand-alone task, and sprinkle little bits of meditation all over the rest of listfillings. whenever the need arises troughout the day. But im not so sure about the last thing .. - I'm friendly and peaceful, but I dont walk around with a big grin on my face (look at this jolly buddhistgiant :tongue: ), because it is actually nothing to be so overjoyed about .. or is it?

metta

:smile:
your name Mori means forest like the infinite fresh green distances of your blindness
User avatar
Crazy cloud
 
Posts: 192
Joined: Sun May 12, 2013 8:55 am

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby Anagarika » Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:45 pm

I try to look at this question as the 9 point "list" being the house in which one resides day to day, and the Dhamma as the solid foundation upon which the house sits. Yes, Buddhism is complex, but it's the complexity and breadth that gives it, IMO, so much stability.
User avatar
Anagarika
 
Posts: 611
Joined: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:25 pm

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby dagon » Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:12 pm

Buddha and the Dhamma made it as simple as possible.

I have made it more complicated for a lot a reason
• I think it should be more complicated so I look for complications
• I am fighting against many years of conditioning by our society
• I do not live in the present eg often I am more concerned about what will be the effect of reaching levels of development that I am unlikely to achieve in this lifetime
• I have not purified my mind to the extent that I should have by strictly following the moral code and by developing the corresponding positive attributes – yet expecting realization to come through study and meditation.

Maybe others can identify with some of these issues.

Yes I have reflected and have and/or, intend to act on what I have recognized.

Metta
paul
dagon
 
Posts: 297
Joined: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:45 am

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:53 pm

I see the opposite trend as more dangerous. Teachers dumbing down the Dhamma for simple foks who don't want to make the effort to understand what is currently beyond their pay grade.

“Just be good, fulfil your duties to society, offer alms to the monks, and you will go to heaven. Maybe you will attain nibbāna in some future life if you accumulate enough perfections.”

The Dhamma is deep like the ocean, but it's a gradual training. You should not plunge in to the middle of the oceasn or attempt cross it without learning to swim, sail, and navigate.
AIM WebsitePāli FontsIn This Very LifeBuddhist ChroniclesSoftware (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)
User avatar
Bhikkhu Pesala
 
Posts: 2036
Joined: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:17 pm

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby cooran » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:10 pm

Well said, Bhane! :bow:

With metta and respect,
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
User avatar
cooran
 
Posts: 7618
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 pm
Location: Queensland, Australia

Re: Has Buddhism Been Made To Be Way Too Complicated ?

Postby lyndon taylor » Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:19 pm

There is a certain, "enlightenment or bust" philosophy among some buddhists, and sometimes the basics, which the OP portrays so well, get thrown out with the bath water. I should remind people that not everyone is willing or able to reach enlightenment, and even for those that can or will, the basics are still just as important, and never to be ignored, if fact its my theory that without a thorough grounding in the basics, enlightenment would not even be possible.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community that has so generously given me so much, sincerely former monk John
User avatar
lyndon taylor
 
Posts: 866
Joined: Mon May 02, 2011 11:41 pm
Location: Redlands, Southern California, USA


Return to Open Dhamma

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: asheamais, Feathers, Yahoo [Bot] and 5 guests