mahat wrote:Mkoll wrote:kmath wrote:“If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.”
― His Holiness Dalai Lama XIV, The Universe in a Single Atom: The Convergence of Science and Spirituality
I strongly disagree with this based on the same point I made in my previous post. There is no "conclusively" in an absolute sense in science. Science provides tentative explanations about phenomena. This means that these explanations can change if better evidence is found that forces us to revise those explanations.
Hypothetically, let's say that "scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false" and we "accept the findings of science and abandon those claims". Then new evidence is discovered later that actually supports that previous Buddhist claim we've abandoned. How foolish would we look?
With all due respect to such a kind man, the Dalai Lama's statement shows a clear misunderstanding of what science is.
I agree, science is solving little pieces of the phenomenal puzzle. Science cannot give ethical directions.
Buddhism is about Dhamma, ethical laws and their relationships to internal/external phenomena as well as gaining self control and wisdom through meditation.
Here is an example of the silliness of the statement of the Dalai Lama and the limits of scientific studies:
Just recently I read an article that showed that scientific studies showed "sex is good for you",
So far my Googling has not found one scientific study showing that celibacy can also be good for you.
THEREFORE: I guess according to the Dalai Lama now monks and nuns should now forfeit celibacy due to this "scientific finding". If Buddha only knew sex can be this healthy he would never have advocated celibacy for monks and nuns...
I'll stick with Buddha.
It is a fact. Period. You have, however to know what are the facts and how to interpret them. The following study was not done yet: to study 4 groups: 1- celibates without meditation; 2- sexualy active people without meditation; 3- sexualy active people which practice meditation; 4- celibates who practice meditation. Then, we could start geting a good picture.