Shaswata_Panja wrote:He gives the analogy of a fort when being filled up with women and children , it becomes vulnerable to attack and can be overrun by enemies...He says because of ordination of women his philosophy will stay on Jambu Dwipa (my guess since this is the term used elsewhere...it might mean Indian subcontinent (most likely), Greater South and Central Asia, Earth) for 500 years instead of 1000 years....
It seems that you have AN 8.51 in mind. There seems to be no geographical reference, but there is a reference to the true teaching lasting for 500 years rather than 1000 years. This is probably worth considering in light of SN 16.13 and SN 20.7 that explain how the Dhamma disappears, which is not all at once but rather through people preferring to study and repeat misinterpretations. It's also worth noting that some recent researchers (such as Bhikkhu Sujato) doubt the authenticity of AN 8.51. The Buddha does not explicitly explain his reasons why he didn't provide bhikkhuni ordination upon the first request, nor does he explain the reasons why this would cause the true Dhamma to last a shorter period of time. It's interesting to note, however, that he accepts the request only after Ananda phrases the request in different terms.AN 8.51 (alt. translation) (Pali)
AN 8.51: Gotami Sutta wrote:Ananda, if women did not obtain the going forth from the household as homeless, in the dispensation of the Thus Gone One, the dispensation would have lasted longer a thousand years Ananda, as women have obtined the going forth from the household to become homeless, it will not last long, the good Teaching will last only five hundred years.
SN 16.13: Saddhamapatirupaka Sutta wrote:There is no disappearance of the true Dhamma as long as a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has not arisen in the world, but there is the disappearance of the true Dhamma when a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has arisen in the world. Just as there is no disappearance of gold as long as a counterfeit of gold has not arisen in the world, but there is the disappearance of gold when a counterfeit of gold has arisen in the world, in the same way there is no disappearance of the true Dhamma as long as a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has not arisen in the world, but there is the disappearance of the true Dhamma when a counterfeit of the true Dhamma has arisen in the world.
The true Dhamma doesn't disappear the way a boat sinks all at once.
Principles to be Respected
SN 20.7: Ani Sutta wrote:Staying at Savatthi. "Monks, there once was a time when the Dasarahas had a large drum called 'Summoner.' Whenever Summoner was split, the Dasarahas inserted another peg in it, until the time came when Summoner's original wooden body had disappeared and only a conglomeration of pegs remained.
"In the same way, in the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.
"In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.
by Bhikkhu Sujato
Bhikkhu Sujato wrote:The Mahāsaṅghika abbreviates the story of Mahāpajāpatī’s request, then prefaces the detailed description of the garudhammas by having the Buddha declare that: ‘From this day forward, Mahāpajāpatī sits at the head of the bhikkhuni Sangha: thus it should be remembered.’ This again seems highly unusual, without precedent that I am aware of in the bhikkhu Vinaya. Who was sitting at the head of the bhikkhuni Sangha before this? If Mahāpajāpatī was the first bhikkhuni—as the traditions assert, but which I do not believe—then it would be assumed she was always sitting at the head of the bhikkhunis.