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The Science Delusion and New Mindfulness

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Plus, let's not forget that Eisel Mazard has been arguing at length in another thread (and in his essays and videos) that Theravada Buddhism is shot through with inauthenticity. So perhaps some Theravada critics of inauthentic secular Buddhism are vulnerable to accusations of False Speech as well?

http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20387
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Excuse me for been a little offtopic but are they using concentration meditation or vipassana ?

I understand from you that they are using vipassana. If so, I can not see how vipassana could bring more working qualities that they look for than concentration practices. I would also like to ask if there is list of qualities that are improved as a side effect by both practices

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Hi Ancientbuddhism.
I am not familiar enough with the two (MBSR/MBCT) modalities to be able to say what differences there are between them (I doubt there are going to be many) although am interested to know of any yourself or anyone else may notice. I am interested in these for educational reasons (not doing the courses but interested in getting my partner and child engaged with something of this nature). And although I have not took a course I have read the Book mentioned and linked to later very recently, and other self-guided secular mindfulness programs in the past. Personally I don't see anything different in the meditation instruction from what I have been instructed to do on retreats, except the inclusion of mindful eating as a "guided" meditation.
there are free online course here
http://jayuhdinger.com/blog/success-doe ... happiness/
http://palousemindfulness.com/selfguidedMBSR.html
and a outline of the MBCT curriculum here http://oxfordmindfulness.org/wp-content ... iption.pdf

Looking at a couple of the links for the raisin and chocolate meditations I don't see the pleasure specifically mentioned so I was either mistaken or it was mentioned in "" Book I have just given away so can not check unfortunately. However I am about to start reading "mindfulness for health" which has a coffee meditation (it can be any drink) that asks readers to pay attention to the taste, smell...

Transcripts & Audio


Soundcloud Audio

There is developments in Compassion Training using mindfulness and a good e-book for info is I have only read the last section on the different 'programs' properly but it is interesting.

Regarding RET... I am focused on cognitive bias/distortions and getting myself familiar with Cognitive Bias Modification research and their focus on attentional and interpretation bias in order to help alleviate my own bias' and distortions.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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