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does the "practice" help you in worldly tasks?

Postby purple planet » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:45 am

when you practice the "path" does one become better at preforming whatever tasks he wants to preform ?
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Re: does the "practice" help you in worldly tasks?

Postby Ben » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:55 am

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Re: does the "practice" help you in worldly tasks?

Postby daverupa » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:03 am

Define your terms: what are worldly tasks?
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:08 am

I think he's talking about making money at other people's expense, I don't know about Israel but that's almost the only way to make lots of money in America.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community that has so generously given me so much, sincerely former monk John

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Postby Sam Vara » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 am

purple planet wrote:when you practice the "path" does one become better at preforming whatever tasks he wants to preform ?


Speaking personally, I have. More importantly, I have become better at choosing the tasks I want to perform.

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Postby purple planet » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 am

actually im asking this mainly thinking about taking care of my old dog thats the same thought i got in all the questions in other threads - but it is also about making money for your family for instance - and it dosnt have to come on others peoples expanse for example a doctor that works privetly - if he works good and fast may take care of more people help them more and make more money - which he can donate - he can take care of monks also and give them more time to practice the dhamma in this life for example
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Postby Sati1 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:45 am

Yes, but you cannot expect that your definition of "success" and "what you want" will not change as you advance on the Path.
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Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:13 am

Buddhism is just as likely to lead the busy doctor to work less and focus more on meditation and family, the idea that practicing Buddhism is going to lead you to work harder seems a bit of a stretch, I can see how mindfulness could lead you to be more in the moment with doing work tasks, but it also leads you to realize that material success and working harder for more money than you need is just a distraction to the spiritual life.
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Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:45 am

Ben wrote:Yes

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"When you meditate, don't send your mind outside. Don't fasten onto any knowledge at all. Whatever knowledge you've gained from books or teachers, don't bring it in to complicate things. Cut away all preoccupations, and then as you meditate let all your knowledge come from what's going on in the mind. When the mind is quiet, you'll know it for yourself. But you have to keep meditating a lot. When the time comes for things to develop, they'll develop on their own. Whatever you know, have it come from your own mind.
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Re: does the "practice" help you in worldly tasks?

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:21 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:I think he's talking about making money at other people's expense, I don't know about Israel but that's almost the only way to make lots of money in America.


Only way? What did Barack Obama do to exploit others? He is a multimillionaire (mostly from book sales). Who did he step on along the way to the top? He was a community organizer and civil servant all his life. People voted for him and bought his books on their own free will. How about the doctors who donate their money and time to help others but are also well-off financially? Some physicians participate in doctors without borders. I knew a dentist who was well-off and dying of cancer. He still donated his time in Mexico to dentists without borders.

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Postby binocular » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:42 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Only way?


lyndon taylor wrote:I think he's talking about making money at other people's expense, I don't know about Israel but that's almost the only way to make lots of money in America.


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Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:07 pm

Okay, then perhaps it is just a disagreement over the percentages. From my own observations, it is more like the other way around with most gaining their wealth through wholesome careers and endeavors (with some exceptions of course).

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Postby Viscid » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:41 pm

If by 'practice' you mean 'meditation' then: a little bit. Meditation has been shown to improve attention, memory and emotional regulation, and if success in completing your 'worldly tasks' depends on those skills it could indeed help. However if a healthy adult were to develop a meditative practice, I doubt they'd become any more successful, materially, than if they had never practiced meditation.

If by 'practice' you mean the totality of the Noble Eightfold Path, then it depends on the person. If an individual had substance abuse problems or a disorder which prevented them from becoming more successful, then perhaps adopting a fairly rigid moral and behavioural framework would allow them to operate in a way which brings them greater material success.
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Postby culaavuso » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:51 pm

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Postby SamKR » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:20 pm

purple planet wrote:when you practice the "path" does one become better at preforming whatever tasks he wants to preform ?

Not always. At least not always in the initial phases of the practice.

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Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:26 pm

David, I'm glad you have so much confidence in the moral integrity of the rich, I for one do not, but actually I was refering to the usual lack of integrity to the super rich, not just rich like maybe a doctor.

As to the moral integrity of Mr Obama, a man who's political views are well to the right of Richard Nixon, I think you're looking through rose coloured glasses. He's not Mother Theresa.......He's voted to cut government services, like food stamps, at the same time championing a big reduction in corporate tax rates, sounds like something a multimillionaire would do, not a man of the people.
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Re: does the "practice" help you in worldly tasks?

Postby Doshin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:32 am

David N. Snyder wrote:
lyndon taylor wrote:I think he's talking about making money at other people's expense, I don't know about Israel but that's almost the only way to make lots of money in America.


Only way? ...


How can one get more money, without somebody else end up with fewer money, as a consequence ?

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Postby purple planet » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:44 am

but someone gains health in return for the money
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Postby Doshin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:57 am

purple planet wrote:but someone gains health in return for the money


If they don't have(/pay) money they wouldn't get better "health". Is that an ideal/good situation ? Can/should a doctor refuse to help people in medical need, if he does not get any money ?

Yes our society depends on money to measure wealth, and monetary wealth is what we are supposed to strive for. Maybe there is a better way to measure things, to everybody's benefit ? (to answer the logically question: I am still contemplating)

If a company should choose between developing two types of medicine, one that makes a lot of money, and another that helps far more people; which one do you think gets chosen ? (I'm sure what most of the investors in the company would answer)

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Postby purple planet » Thu Mar 13, 2014 11:08 am

About people who can afford health its a different story -

ok in the example of israel
Here in israel there is government sponsored health - and the problems are everyone can get health care - just they might have a long wating time - and get poor quality care

and of course there are a few doctors who work also in their privet clinics also

but i tend to believe (not sure) that doctors in the public system get a small bonus for every one they take care of - or at least after a certain amount

so to the point - my example : if a doctor works hard and his focused - and dont waste time - and is honest and really takes care of people and not just try to accept and quickly send home (without good care) people to make a good bonus - and he works hard - he can also take care of people also gain more money - and everyone is happy the poor get cared without waiting a month before seeing a doctor for and he gains more money : win-win

i do see the point in what you and lyndon said - though its just that there are spesific cases which it is possible to make money not on others expense
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