How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

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How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby vesak2014 » Wed May 07, 2014 6:11 pm

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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby Mkoll » Wed May 07, 2014 6:17 pm

What you can know is if your intention is to mislead and if you're trying to mislead. And if you're doing that, I suggest you stop.

If your intention is pure and you didn't intend to mislead someone but they are misled anyway, there is nothing you could have done about it.
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby waterchan » Wed May 07, 2014 6:21 pm

Sometimes the intention to mislead is very subtle. You might not even know you have it until you direct your mindfulness to it. If you have a lot of friends or relatives, you might know some people who are manipulative by nature. This is not to promote ill will towards such people — they are as much a victim of their own conditioning as we are.
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby Sokehi » Wed May 07, 2014 6:23 pm

Get the wanting out of waiting

What does womanhood matter at all, when the mind is concentrated well, when knowledge flows on steadily as one sees correctly into Dhamma. One to whom it might occur, ‘I am a woman’ or ‘I am a man’ or ‘I’m anything at all’ is fit for Mara to address. – SN 5.2

If they take what's yours, tell yourself that you're making it a gift.
Otherwise there will be no end to the animosity. - Ajahn Fuang Jotiko


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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby waterchan » Wed May 07, 2014 6:53 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed May 07, 2014 8:26 pm

i check to see if my mouth is open :)
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby Viscid » Wed May 07, 2014 11:54 pm

Those that mislead most are the ones who preach Dhamma for self-gain. When people award themselves spiritual authority, they distort the Dhamma by preaching from unsteady foundations, and for unworthy end. So, don't talk Dhamma to feel proud. Stick to the facts, and always be willing to accept your own misapprehension.
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby SDC » Thu May 08, 2014 1:21 am

If someone is just repeating what they've heard, what they've read, what they've memorized, repeating the general consensus, not speaking from actual experience, then there is always a chance they could be misleading people with what they say. I don't care how in depth one goes into the literature - how many years they've studied, how many degrees they have, how many books they've read, or how much Pali they know - if they aren't also learning to apply it, learning to SEE dhamma in their own experience, confirming what they've read in the books, and speaking from that sort of knowledge, how can they ever know if they know what they know?

So in a nut shell, unless you've seen the things you are saying, you won't know if you are misleading others. The speaker - if he or she is so inclined to admit his or her possible shortcomings with his or her knowledge of a particular subject - can, most courteously, protect the listener with a simple disclaimer. For example: "As far as I have come to understand..." or "As far as So and So has said..." or "According to such and such a source..." or any variation, can help the listener's understanding remain dynamic and open to adjustment.

EDIT - This is just my opinion ;)

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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby chownah » Thu May 08, 2014 3:14 am

If you present your views as being more than just your views then you are misleading others.
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu May 08, 2014 3:23 am

Did you know that the word gullible is not in the dictionary?

Go to dictionary.com and look it up.

Okay, this just goes to show how few people are misled nowadays. This is the information age. Few people are misled to anything. We can look things up, challenge people, have differing views. Even famous scholars are taken with a grain of salt and people argue about their views and findings on forums such as this and other places. It's all good.
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby melancholy » Sat May 10, 2014 3:45 am

Power can make things disappear, so does me :D

Then the Blessed One said to Ven. Ananda, "Now, if it occurs to any of you — 'The teaching has lost its authority; we are without a Teacher' — do not view it in that way. Whatever Dhamma & Vinaya I have pointed out & formulated for you, that will be your Teacher when I am gone.

-Dīgha Nikāya 16, Mahāparinibbāna Sutta
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Re: How do u know if u're misleading others or not?

Postby waterchan » Sat May 10, 2014 4:23 am

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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