Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

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Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby ccook70 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:00 pm

Hi,

Is the Pure Land path a legitimate one?
Why or Why Not?

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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby culaavuso » Sun May 25, 2014 6:06 pm

You might find interesting answers by asking this question at the Pure Land forum on the sister site Dharma Wheel.
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby ccook70 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:08 pm

Thanks Culaavuso.

What's your opinion, Culaavuso?
Is it legitimate?

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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby daverupa » Sun May 25, 2014 6:09 pm

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Mkoll » Sun May 25, 2014 6:10 pm

ccook70 wrote:Hi,

Is the Pure Land path a legitimate one?
Why or Why Not?

:thanks:

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Please define "legitimate" in this context.
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby ccook70 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:12 pm

"Legitimate" Meaning is it the truth as taught originally by Siddhartha Gautama.

I ask this question, by the way, because I want to ordain at Wat Pah Nanachat, but I'm also considering practicing Pure Land as a layman.

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Postby Mkoll » Sun May 25, 2014 6:22 pm

ccook70 wrote:"Legitimate" Meaning is it the truth as taught originally by Siddhartha Gautama.

I ask this question, by the way, because I want to ordain at Wat Pah Nanachat, but I'm also considering practicing Pure Land as a layman.

Thanks!!!

In that case, I don't believe so.

Why not practice Theravada or early/Sutta Buddhism as a layman?

EDIT: After giving it some thought and reading some posts on the sister site, I amend my statement. It's not legitimate from a Theravada orthodox point of view. It is legitimate from a Mahayana point of view.

I'll remain ambivalent about it, per the Canki sutta.
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby culaavuso » Sun May 25, 2014 6:23 pm

ccook70 wrote:What's your opinion, Culaavuso?
Is it legitimate?


It's a deceptively simple sounding question about a complicated subject.
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby ccook70 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:30 pm

Sorry if that question was naive.

Anyway, I've decided I'd like to become a Monk at Wat Pah Nanachat.

Does anyone have any helpful advice for me?

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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Mkoll » Sun May 25, 2014 6:32 pm

Slow down. :tongue:
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby ccook70 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:39 pm

Why slow down?

Are you teasing?
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby ccook70 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:40 pm

People stop teasing me I'm serious. :evil:
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby santa100 » Sun May 25, 2014 6:49 pm

ccook70 wrote:I ask this question, by the way, because I want to ordain at Wat Pah Nanachat, but I'm also considering practicing Pure Land as a layman.

Well, depends on the type/style of person. An analogy, 2 men are both afflicted by a very serious illness. The first guy is the type of guy who wants to know the truth about his current condition up front and he has no problem facing the truth from the doctor no matter how terrible the bad news might be. The other guy is a bit reserved, tend to rely more on the doctor rather than his own, and really put his "faith" in the ability of his doctor. So, for the first guy, the doctor is able to tell him exactly how crappy the situation is right upfront, that not only he'll need to trust his doctor but also need to try very hard by his own effort to recover. For the second guy, the doctor might hold off on all the bad news, tells the guy to maintain good faith and trust his doctor, and gradually introduce the various regiments at the appropriate time to help him recover. So it's a matter of style and just be honest with yourself which one works best for you. Good luck..
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Mkoll » Sun May 25, 2014 6:59 pm

ccook70 wrote:Why slow down?

Are you teasing?


ccook70 wrote:People stop teasing me I'm serious. :evil:


I apologize if I offended you. It was more tongue-in-cheek than malevolent teasing.

To put it in serious terms, my advice is: don't make life-changing decisions before giving them a lot of thought. There was only 18 minutes between your post wondering whether you should become a Theravada monk or a Pure Land layman and the post where you decided to become a Theravada monk. 18 minutes is not enough, hence my post.
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Sokehi » Sun May 25, 2014 7:03 pm

ccook70 wrote:Sorry if that question was naive.

Anyway, I've decided I'd like to become a Monk at Wat Pah Nanachat.

Does anyone have any helpful advice for me?

:thanks:


Both traditions are quite different. I can't though give an educated and reasonable answer about legitimacy. Answer it to yourself! The web is full of informations about different schools and traditions. Beside that if you want to ordain as monk in any theravadan monastery I'd like to kindly ask you: why? Pure Land Buddhist practices are very different as far as I know from the lifestyle of forest monastics in thai traditions. Legitimacy shouldn't really be the question here, but what pulls you towards monasticism if being a lay buddhist in a quite different tradition seems equally tempting to you? :anjali:
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby daverupa » Sun May 25, 2014 7:04 pm

Nor is it enough to read the thread I linked, addressing your question specifically by those with knowledge of the matter.
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Zom » Sun May 25, 2014 8:50 pm

Is the Pure Land path a legitimate one?
Why or Why Not?


No. Because there is no omnipresent Buddha Amitabha, who hears your prayers and invites you to be reborn in pure-land-buddha-heaven. End of story 8-)
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun May 25, 2014 8:57 pm

Zom wrote:No. Because there is no omnipresent Buddha Amitabha, who hears your prayers and invites you to be reborn in pure-land-buddha-heaven. End of story 8-)


Party-pooper. :tongue:

Omnipresent Buddha -- no; but how about a deva hearing some prayers and inviting people to his deva realm, perhaps nimmanarati-devas or paranimmita-vasavatti devas? Could that be possible?
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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Aloka » Sun May 25, 2014 9:48 pm

David N. Snyder wrote: but how about a deva hearing some prayers and inviting people to his deva realm, perhaps nimmanarati-devas or paranimmita-vasavatti devas? Could that be possible?


Or could an extra terrestial red colored Buddha from a purer planet than ours be a possibility ?

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Re: Pure Land Buddhism - Legitimate?

Postby Dan74 » Sun May 25, 2014 11:25 pm

I don't think efficacy of Pure Land practice depends on existence or otherwise of Amitabha Buddha. It changes ones karma due to faith and concentration, among other things.
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