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Arhats and Bodhisattvas

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Arhats and Bodhisattvas

Postby Mkoll » Thu May 29, 2014 8:38 am

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Postby Aloka » Thu May 29, 2014 11:33 am

This article from Buddhadharma magazine January 2008, is from Ajahn Amaro, abbot of Amaravati Theravada Thai Forest Tradition Monastery in the UK:

"Between Arhat and Bodhisattva -Finding the perfect balance"




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Postby SarathW » Fri May 30, 2014 1:53 am

"Followers of Mahayana say bodhisattvas are superior to arhats."

This statement contradict the teaching of Diamond Sutta.

http://www.diamond-sutra.com/diamond_su ... page1.html

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This too may be of relevance: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=19303&p=292727

They also have a text called "Buddhavamtasaka".

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Postby cookiemonster » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:25 pm

Isn't the elevation of a "bodhisattva ideal" over the arahant ideal an insult to the Buddha himself? Aren't those who elevate the bodhisattva ideal actually saying that historical Buddha was being selfish for leaving samsara for nibbana?

IMO, I see a "bodhisatta" as an unenlightened being consciously working towards Buddhahood and nibbana, and possesses the prophecy of a former Buddha that he or she shall be a future Buddha. Anyone who has not received such a prophecy directly from a Buddha cannot be a bodhisatta, but is only a pretender.

IMO an arahant is a fully enlightened being, superior to the bodhisatta. Arahants include Sammasambuddhas, Paccekabuddhas, and enlightened disciples of either. This path is open to all beings, whereas the bodhisatta path is not.

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Postby Pasada » Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:01 am

I found this article by Ven. Walpola Rahula to be interesting: "". Ven. Rahula makes a case that something like the Bodhisattva ideal is present in Theravada.

And yet, it seems to me that Theravadins and Mahayanists mean completely different things by "arahant" and "bodhisattva", to the point that both groups almost always wind up talking past each other. This is only compounded by the polemical (and often anachronistic) use of the term "Hinayana".

Fundamentally, I think part of the issue is that Theravada is a sect and not a "yana", but Mahayanists act like it is a yana - specifically, the Hinayana or the small/inferior/narrow vehicle. Because the Pali Canon and Theravada in general does not speak of "vehicles", all too often Theravadins wind up on the defensive, accepting this incorrect definition, when instead they should be reframing the conversation by pointing out that the Way of the Elders is a sect, not a vehicle. Confusing the two is like saying that Zen (a sect) is a yana, or that Honda is a sports car, rather than a car manufacturer (which makes sports cars, among other kinds of vehicles).

Any given sect may have multiple yanas available to the practitioner (in the same way that any given car company may offer multiple kinds of vehicle - sedan, sports car, SUV). There is an old thread here about "" which suggest that even Theravada even has its own versions of the "Diamond Vehicle" or "Mantra Vehicle". If this is true, then it makes sense that something like the Mahayana Bodhisattva ideal could exist in a Theravada context as well.

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