Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby Jechbi » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:33 pm

fivebells wrote:(Not sure how to get the URL markup above to work properly. Can someone let me know, please?)

Take out the quote marks: ...a large number of monks
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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby Jechbi » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:59 pm

Apropos to this thread, fresh from Dhamma Drops:
Bhikkhu_Samahita wrote:Friends:

The 11 Advantages of Infinite Friendliness:

When one cultivates regular meditation on Infinite Friendliness (Metta),
then these 11 advantages are produced, can be expected and observed:

1: One sleeps in comfort.
2: One wakes in comfort.
3: One dreams no evil dreams.
4: One is dear to human beings.
5: One is dear to non-human beings.
6: Deities guard and protect one.
7: Fire, poison and weapons cannot affect one.
8: One's mind is easily concentrated.
9: The expression of one's face is serene.
10: One dies unconfused and without panic.
11: If one penetrates no higher, then one is reborn in the Brahma-world.

These 11 advantages emerges and hold insofar as goodwill is maintained!
Vism I 312-314, AN V 342
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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby fivebells » Tue Sep 29, 2009 12:04 am

Jechbi wrote:Take out the quote marks: ...a large number of monks


Ah, thanks.
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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby salaatti » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:07 pm

Bhante Vimalaramsi told a story once, where he was walking in streets of Miami and radiating metta to people around him. He said that three random people offered him ride to meditation center that time. This he said, was the result from the loving kindness that was radiating out of him. But I honestly don't know if I should believe in him. He has also said that one time he told a Malesian woman who suffered from uncurable cancer, to buy many fish every day and free them to the ocean. In this time the woman, according to the story also had given up from medication. And when the woman freed the fish every day, her mind became very happy and uplifted, and as a result, her cancer also dissapeard.

Vimaralamsi also said that skilled meditators can develope abilities like levitating and walking through walls. He says that he cannot do these things himself but he has a few students who can.


Also, I had an actual question that I already asked elsewhere, but I was guided here.

How often the person who metta is sent to, should be changed?


And also should I go through all my friends and family friends before moving on to some 'neutral' person.
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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby Jechbi » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:15 pm

Here's a post that I think addresses your question:
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:The story of Roja the Malla is also well known.

I think one needs to have strong concentration for it to have much effect. Clearly, just smiling does have some affect on others, so what if one could attain to the highest stage of metta jhāna like the Buddha?

With regard to all that other stuff about levitating and everything, take it or leave it. The best "trick" of all is nibbana.
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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby clw_uk » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:06 pm

gabrielbranbury wrote:
clw_uk wrote:In my opinion it only impacts others in terms of effecting your own well being which in turn effects the way you treat others and so effects their own well being, i dont think it sends out waves etc since this idea seems to fall into a kind of Idealism/solipsism


Hello Craig,

Oh heaven forbid we fall into Idealism.

While I have a great respect for discerning between the known and the unknown in order to give deference to that which is known, I think it is folly to ignore potentiality. Particularly when the recognition of that potentiality lends to being heedful.

Take Care

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Ive been trying to fiqure out what your saying here but I cant, could you explain a bit more?

metta
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Re: Does metta-bhavana literally impact others?

Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:13 pm

clw_uk wrote:
gabrielbranbury wrote:
clw_uk wrote:In my opinion it only impacts others in terms of effecting your own well being which in turn effects the way you treat others and so effects their own well being, i dont think it sends out waves etc since this idea seems to fall into a kind of Idealism/solipsism


Hello Craig,

Oh heaven forbid we fall into Idealism.

While I have a great respect for discerning between the known and the unknown in order to give deference to that which is known, I think it is folly to ignore potentiality. Particularly when the recognition of that potentiality lends to being heedful.

Take Care

Gabe




Ive been trying to fiqure out what your saying here but I cant, could you explain a bit more?

metta



Hi Craig,

I think I see your point. To dwell in the idea of some kind of magical phenomena which is the result of your well wishing can be an unhelpful delusion which could get in the way of ones ability to see clearly and communicate. However there is also a way of dwelling in potentiality which does not hold to tightly to what one thinks is the limit of what is possible. This kind of openness does not need to hinder discernment. It is not really an intellectual exercise. To be open to some possibilities which may seem impossible can have a radically positive impact on ones ability to make progress in practice. I will repeat that when one sees this it does not mean that they have made an unknown into an object of delight. It remains an unknown and mysterious source of energy for awakening.

Does this make sense?


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