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new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:18 am

here is Thich Naht Hanh "The Art of Power" interpretation of Dhammapada 183

The bad things, don't do them. The good things, try to do them Try to purify, subdue your own mind That is the teaching of all buddhas. From

and thanisaros translation

The non-doing of any evil, the performance of what's skilful, the cleansing of one's own mind: this is the teaching of the Awakened.

and from the dhammapada for contemplation
Cease to do evil, cultivate that which is good; purify the heart.
This is the Way of the Awakened Ones.

how good do you all think this interpretation is?
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(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
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Re: new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby catmoon » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:56 am

Manapa wrote:here is Thich Naht Hanh "The Art of Power" interpretation of Dhammapada 183

The bad things, don't do them. The good things, try to do them Try to purify, subdue your own mind That is the teaching of all buddhas. From

and thanisaros translation

The non-doing of any evil, the performance of what's skilful, the cleansing of one's own mind: this is the teaching of the Awakened.

and from the dhammapada for contemplation
Cease to do evil, cultivate that which is good; purify the heart.
This is the Way of the Awakened Ones.

how good do you all think this interpretation is?


It's fine as far as creating intention goes, but gee where is the nuts and bolts? How does one purify, cultivate and cleanse?

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Re: new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby Laurens » Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:33 pm

I think what he is trying to emphasize is compassion for one's self by using the words 'try to' it sounds less like a command. I think he makes it seem less forceful and giving room for mistakes - which can be helpful to the practicioner.

However, was it the teachings of all the Buddha's to 'try to'? I think thats probably where the contention lies.
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Re: new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby adeh » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:36 pm

Thich Naht Than's translation of the verse is a bit too free and "modern", and the verse mentions nothing about "trying to" nor "subduing" the mind.....it says: saccittapariyodapanam "purify [one's] own mind". Mark.

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Re: new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby Reductor » Fri Dec 25, 2009 5:53 am

TNHs translation does seem awfully soft and accommodating to those that satisfied with a half-ass effort.
Very much, it seems, geared to the hobby Buddhist common in the west.

Another translation:
From http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .budd.html
183. To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Do you have a link for the third one you quoted, the one from the dhammapada for contemplation?
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The thoughts I've expressed in the above post are carefully considered and offered in good faith.

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Re: new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:11 am

thereductor wrote:TNHs translation does seem awfully soft and accommodating to those that satisfied with a half-ass effort.
Very much, it seems, geared to the hobby Buddhist common in the west.

Another translation:
From http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .budd.html
183. To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.

Do you have a link for the third one you quoted, the one from the dhammapada for contemplation?


hi thereductor,
online version
http://aruno.org/index.php?option=com_c ... &Itemid=80
PDF
http://aruno.org/index.php?option=com_c ... &Itemid=49
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: new interpretation of Dhammapada 183

Postby Reductor » Fri Dec 25, 2009 6:42 pm



Thank you for the link. Sees to be very readable. :smile:
Michael
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The thoughts I've expressed in the above post are carefully considered and offered in good faith.

And friendliness towards the world is happiness for him who is forbearing with living beings. -- Ud. 2:1
To his own ruin the fool gains knowledge, for it cleaves his head and destroys his innate goodness. -- Dhp 72



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