Gets my vote . I am learning more and more that the traditions aren't as clear-cut as I once believed. I guess in the end it simply doesn't matter as long as progress towards the goal is made (particularly at my level where I struggle with the simplest of practices, adhering to the five precepts!).Fede wrote:If it all helps, why knock it?
Why did you choose Theravada?
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Peter is asking, perhaps rightly so, what's in it for PT from posting on this forum.
While I couldn't even venture a guess, I would like to say, though, that I very much appreciate his posts.
Being an absolute beginner on Theravada groundwork, I find his pointers to pehaps looking at things from a different pespective very interesting and often thought-provoking.
And his disclaimer regarding him not being a relgious/orthodox practitioner is also clearly sated, so there is little risk of confusion there. So, I am grateful for his padticipation here.
Just my 0.02 Euro on OT comment, just to balance the "vibes" ...
While I couldn't even venture a guess, I would like to say, though, that I very much appreciate his posts.
Being an absolute beginner on Theravada groundwork, I find his pointers to pehaps looking at things from a different pespective very interesting and often thought-provoking.
And his disclaimer regarding him not being a relgious/orthodox practitioner is also clearly sated, so there is little risk of confusion there. So, I am grateful for his padticipation here.
Just my 0.02 Euro on OT comment, just to balance the "vibes" ...
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
As to the debate over the historical Buddha. I have a hard time believing that no historical Buddha existed.
For anybody interested in a bit of history, here's a link to a photo-tour of some ancient Buddhist sites in India:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travelogu ... adh-2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Which I initially discovered from a mention on Ven. Dhammika's blog:
http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/12/t ... gadha.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found the photo-tour interesting and inspiring. Although, it's not solid proof of a historical Buddha, I do find it reassuring that so many of those ancient places which the Buddha is said to have frequented have been identified. Maybe some day I'll be able to tour those places and see them for myself.
For anybody interested in a bit of history, here's a link to a photo-tour of some ancient Buddhist sites in India:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travelogu ... adh-2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Which I initially discovered from a mention on Ven. Dhammika's blog:
http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2009/12/t ... gadha.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I found the photo-tour interesting and inspiring. Although, it's not solid proof of a historical Buddha, I do find it reassuring that so many of those ancient places which the Buddha is said to have frequented have been identified. Maybe some day I'll be able to tour those places and see them for myself.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
As to the debate over the historical Buddha. I have a hard time believing that no historical Buddha existed.
From the bits and bobs I have read of the Sutta Pitaka it's been clear to me that when all the stock passages are taken away this whole Dhamma really does seem to originate from one voice. I don't think I can even try to entertain doubts that the voice that discovered this Dhamma was indeed one who has known and seen the world and human condition for what it is. I cannot see another possibility
metta
Jack
From the bits and bobs I have read of the Sutta Pitaka it's been clear to me that when all the stock passages are taken away this whole Dhamma really does seem to originate from one voice. I don't think I can even try to entertain doubts that the voice that discovered this Dhamma was indeed one who has known and seen the world and human condition for what it is. I cannot see another possibility
metta
Jack
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Hi Jack
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
metta
Ben
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
metta
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
well in my view, some traditions in mahayana almost view the buddha as a God, which I don't like, and theravada emphasizes more on logic/see it for yourself type an ideology than mahayana.alan wrote:What I'd really like to know is, are there specific Mahayana concepts that anyone here rejected? If so, why?
Web searches have resulted in "there isn't really a big difference" articles, but surely there must be.
Thanks!
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Hi Ben
Did an online search at Otago Uni library website and 11 of Gombrich's works are available for e-book download.
Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going
metta
Jack
Did an online search at Otago Uni library website and 11 of Gombrich's works are available for e-book download.
Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going
metta
Jack
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Stop, Ben, Stop! I can only afford so many books Just ordered the Visudhimagga and "The heart of Buddhist meditation".Ben wrote:Hi Jack
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
metta
Ben
EDIT: Jack, do you have a link? I can always use a link. Thanks.
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Link, please.BlackBird wrote:Hi Ben
Did an online search at Otago Uni library website and 11 of Gombrich's works are available for e-book download.
Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going
metta
Jack
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Sorry to be a downer, but upon closer examination there's only three, one of such being the afformentioned work. Also requires my university account/pw to view.
metta
Jack
metta
Jack
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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Have you seen the thread I started on Satipatthana: the direct path of realization?thereductor wrote:Stop, Ben, Stop! I can only afford so many books Just ordered the Visudhimagga and "The heart of Buddhist meditation".Ben wrote:Hi Jack
When you get some time, have a look around for Richard Gombrich's How Buddhism Began: the conditioned genesis of the early teachings. It'll be well worth your while.
metta
Ben
Its another brilliant work. Put it on your wish list!
Don't be so antisocial Jack!jack wrote:Woo hoo, guess where my weekend is going
Its our birthday weekend, its time to get your party hat on!
metta
Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Sounds good, we can crank up the volume on the stereo, put Metta sutta on full blat.
We havin' cookies and fizz? I can bring a cheesecake
We havin' cookies and fizz? I can bring a cheesecake
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
Path Press - Ñāṇavīra Thera Dhamma Page - Ajahn Nyanamoli's Dhamma talks
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Sure Jack
We're preparing some low key 'events' - so to speak!
More to follow!!
We're preparing some low key 'events' - so to speak!
More to follow!!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global Relief • UNHCR
e: [email protected]..
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
Hi Ben.
That book looks like it would help answer a lot of my questions. However...
$150 US on Amazon.com.
ouch.
links, anyone?
That book looks like it would help answer a lot of my questions. However...
$150 US on Amazon.com.
ouch.
links, anyone?
Re: Why did you choose Theravada?
The closest I could find was the google book's preview, which only has a handful pages, but might be better than nothing.alan wrote:Hi Ben.
That book looks like it would help answer a lot of my questions. However...
$150 US on Amazon.com.
ouch.
links, anyone?
http://books.google.com/books?id=aIOY5g ... q=&f=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I spent a solid hour last night looking for free copy of it that I could download, but no dice. Although, I did find a number of other dhamma books that looked interesting, and now have a solid month's worth of new reading material.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis