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Do you think you ever met Arahant?

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Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Thai_Theravada » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:26 am

Do you think you ever met Arahant?, and if you think you do.
Let's share your experience.

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:27 am

Greetings,

No.

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby ground » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:32 am

I don't know, but I think I met several Buddhas :D

Or, maybe I met one and the same at different times and in different locations and with different states of mind :)

Seems it is up to me to decide ;)

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:55 am

Hi TG
I don't know, but I think its highly unlikely that I've met an arahant.
kind regards

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby PeterB » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:33 am

I think I may have.
But as the person in question wont be drawn on the nature of his status it would not be wise for me to speculate on his behalf.
I will say that he is fairly widely seen as such.

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby BlackBird » Wed Apr 07, 2010 8:12 am

Maybe not Arahant, but I suspect I may have met an Ariyan.
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Thai_Theravada » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:20 am

Anumodana with every comment :anjali: ,

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Wind » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:45 am

If I do meet one, I would instantly ask for the going forth. But it is rather discouraging that none of us have met one with full confidence, giving me the impression we might be left with just the blind leading the blind. :cry:

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Postby BlackBird » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:36 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:43 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby meindzai » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:02 pm

I've met some rather extraordinary Bhikkhus and non-theravada teachers and monks. They've all been a great inspiration, but I am not even remotely qualified to pin down what their attainments might be.

-M

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:42 pm

I have met several well known meditation masters: Venerable Mahāsī Sayādaw was my preceptor, I stayed with Taung Pulu Sayādaw for a week or two, I met Ajahn Chah and Sayādaw U Pandita a few times, among other well regarded teachers.

It is not unusual to hear claims by disciples that such and such a teacher is definitely an Arahant, but how do they know this? Do they themselves have the power of reading minds? At best, it is an intelligent guess based on a long and intimate association with a teacher, but even then it would be hard to know for sure.

A certain monk was living in dependence on an Arahant. Living in dependence meant that he shared the same room as his teacher, did all the duties for him, and carried his almsbowl for him while walking behind for alms. One day, while walking for alms, the pupil asked, “Venerable sir, how can one know whether another person is an Arahant?”

The Arahant replied, “It is not easy, friend, to know if another person is an Arahant. Even if one lived in dependence on an Arahant, did all the duties for him, and carried his almsbowl while walking behind him for alms, one might not know that his teacher was an Arahant.”

Even when given such a broad hint as this, the pupil did not realise that his teacher was an Arahant. The Arahants have stainless minds free from all pride and conceit. They do not boast of their attainments, unless there is no other way to help people.

Then, supposing that one was convinced that one's teacher was an Arahant, there are two possibilities: it is true, or it is false. In the latter case there are two possibilities: the teacher is deluded, or a shameless liar. Either way, if one's confidence is misplaced it might well lead to one's own harm.

In the former case, supposing that one's confidence is well placed and one's teacher really is an Arahant, does it help to remove one's own defilements? Or does it lead to an increase in defilements such as pride, thinking “My teacher is an Arahant?”

The bottom line is that there is no way for us to know whether someone else is an Arahant, and it doesn't really matter. As long as we have confidence that the Buddha was an Arahant, and strive to practice his teaching, we can remove at least some of our defilements.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby meindzai » Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:53 pm

:goodpost:

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Nibbida » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:12 pm

Like Bhikku Pesala said, I would have no idea if I ever have. Wouldn't it be interesting to live as if every person you met was potentially an arahant?

If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him. But be nice to arahants. :anjali:

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Kenshou » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:44 pm

If only there were an obvious explosion of rainbows and golden lotus petals whenever someone becomes enlightened. Would make things easier.

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby ground » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:02 pm

A certificate or diploma would do as well ... but who would issue these? :rofl:

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby BlackBird » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:26 pm

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Do you think you ever met Arahant?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:09 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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