Therefore this "debate" wastes so much energy by one faction talking about their preferred practice and the other on the fact of Buddha teaching literal rebirth. Not a good basis for debate, if we keep arguing from differing premises. So I am out of it.
Seems rather a conveniently distorted characterization of what is being discussed, to provide smoke cover for a hasty retreat.
There are those who would claim that without active, positive belief
", one cannot call oneself Buddhist, and one cannot practice
Eightfold Path (this is, of course, the nexus wherein lies the discussion of practice vs. belief in superstitions and speculative views). Of course, this same faction tends to pound ad nauseum the fallacious argument that claims that non-belief
is the same as belief in a negative (nihilist, annihiliationist) position, which is of course a Straw Man (actually a Straw-Man/Red-Herring/Ad-Hominem Cocktail
Some venues will allow, and even encourage
and enforce Ad Baculum
, such chicanery. We seriously doubt that Dhamma Wheel is one of them.