the great rebirth debate

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Rebirth/Reincarnation/Past life/After life

Postby visitin » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:13 am

Rebirth and Reincarnation are the central tenets of Buddhism and Hinduism.

No matter how advanced you might become in meditation/jhana/dhyana/yoga/sadhna, you simply CANNOT remember anything that goes beyond the memory of your childhood. The reason for it is simple in that the body precedes mind (from conception to birth).

Believing in Rebirth/Reincarnation, is just a matter of blind faith.

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Re: Rebirth/Reincarnation/Past life/After life

Postby tiltbillings » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:53 am

Since this thread -- Rebirth/Reincarnation/Past life/After life -- is covering no new ground, it has been merged with the "Great Rebirth Debate."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby chownah » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:14 pm

I don't think the mind recalls anything.....I think it reconstructs a somewhat similar scenario from bits and pieces of information and then assumes it to be recalling something and there really is no way to compare what we experience when we remember to what we experienced when it was directly experienced...no way at all...impossible.....show me I am wrong by outlining a method to make the comparison.
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Babadhari » Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:25 pm

Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Babadhari » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:09 pm

vistin,

unless you have 'direct personal experience' with the mind of every person alive you cannot 'know the capabilities or limits of said minds.
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby daverupa » Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:23 pm

Even though you can't give your specific phenomenological experience of chartreuse to me, nevertheless we can come to terms when seeing such a color, and in this way we can discuss our direct, personal experiences with each other in a way that facilitates mutual accord & understanding.

As with visual inputs, we can come to terms with mental inputs: you claim to know the limit of a mind, which is to say, any & all possible minds. This claim is one that has been constructed on the basis of various direct, personal experiences (because ), either qua direct perceptual input or else via inference from same.

In sum, there are a set of inputs you experience and infer from which all lead you to a certain conclusion about minds. Now try exploring the difference between the direct personal experience of feeling that this view is right and all others wrong v the direct personal experience of feeling that this view is provisional, based on limited data sets, and open to further inputs.

Could be interesting.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Babadhari » Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:39 pm

what about taste and smell?
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Babadhari » Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:04 pm

i have done so . not now. not at will. but on occasion in the past with different subjects of reference this has indeed happened in most vivid experiential detail.

EDIT: smell of sandalwood and smell of rotting corpe are so powerful for me i can recall them as clear as on old friends voice or face

i can recall the taste of old chillum smoke in my mouth at will also..
Aflame with the fire of passion, the fire of aversion, the fire of delusion.
Aflame, with birth, aging & death, with sorrows, lamentations, pains, distresses, & despairs ......

Seeing thus, the disciple of the Noble One grows disenchanted. SN 35.28


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