clw_uk wrote:It therefore naturally follows that when we dont sucumb to aversion etc, then "I am" does not arise.
You may be right, I'm still trying to work out the meaning of the SN22.81 passage we were looking at ( relevant bit below ). It seems to be saying that the assumption of form being self arises when craving arises, ie identification with the aggregates arises when craving arises - is that your understanding? From a practical point of view it seems a bit chicken and egg because without insight into anatta craving will continue to arise - in other words until the assumption of form being self is seen through, craving will persist.
"There is the case where an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person....assumes form to be the self. That assumption is a fabrication. Now what is the cause, what is the origination, what is the birth, what is the coming-into-existence of that fabrication? To an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person, touched by that which is felt born of contact with ignorance, craving arises. That fabrication is born of that."