BlackBird wrote:If that's what my post suggested to you then I am quite concerned that my posts are taking on a life of their own and communicating all sorts of unintended things to people.. Goodness, the nerve of them...
Sarcasm is a sign of a failing argument in a debate
Thanks for taking the time to condescend
To clarify, the point I am trying to make (perhaps a little too indirectly, but it's my style) is this:
Alex probably considers he knows what's what.
You probably consider you have a decent grasp of the same thing
I probably consider the same of myself.
But in the end we're not an authority until we're enlightened, and that's the urgent goal here.
You're not going to change Alex's mind, and he won't change yours. Therefore feel free to butt heads to the cows come home about Dukkha and re-birth, but I doubt you'll achieve anything, and in the end the Buddha never intended his Dhamma to be used for the purposes of debate, I don't need to go quoting MN 22, I'm sure you've read it many times.
I very much doubt anyone's going to further their own understanding by engaging in this debate, at the very least it would be a poor substitute to time on the cushion and personal contemplation, and finally it's clear to me that these sort of debates only tend to strengthen people's defilements. It's a bit of an ego trip where the goal (whether we realize it or not) is the pleasurable feeling of being right and proving it to be so, in the end though all we get is upset and annoyed when people don't see things our way.
That's how I feel about this. Perhaps you enjoy debating and you have a clear and humble mind throughout, in that case you're the exception to the rule and I wish you all the best in your debating-samadhi
With metta (actually)
"But, Udāyi, let be the past, let be the future, I shall set you forth the Teaching: When there is this this is, with arising of this this arises; when there is not this this is not, with cessation of this this ceases." - Majjhima ii,32
Nanavira Thera's teachings - An existential approach to the Dhamma:http://bit.ly/LDsGHg