You got my point exactly, and I completely agree with you on this.Mr Man wrote:tiltbillings I'm not sure if I understand you correctly but when you said "The second question relates to your comment: What to do with it?". Do you mean what to do with the teaching of rebirth?
If so I would say pick it up if you want. Put it down if you want. reflect wisely. investigate. use intelligence. See how it correlates. If you believe in rebirth or if you don't believe in rebirth don't let it be a burden. That is my advice.
Buckwheat wrote:I want to know how other Non-Rebirth Buddhists (NRBs - can I coin that?) resolve this issue.
Alex123 wrote:Buckwheat wrote:I want to know how other Non-Rebirth Buddhists (NRBs - can I coin that?) resolve this issue.
Be afraid of death, still cling to life, don't want to hurt loved ones. Without Rebirth, suicide would be in that case the quick shortcut to parinibbāna.
Sabbasava Sutta wrote:"And what are the ideas fit for attention that he does not attend to? Whatever ideas such that, when he attends to them, the unarisen fermentation of sensuality does not arise in him, and the arisen fermentation of sensuality is abandoned; the unarisen fermentation of becoming does not arise in him, and arisen fermentation of becoming is abandoned; the unarisen fermentation of ignorance does not arise in him, and the arisen fermentation of ignorance is abandoned. These are the ideas fit for attention that he does not attend to. Through his attending to ideas unfit for attention and through his not attending to ideas fit for attention, both unarisen fermentations arise in him, and arisen fermentations increase.
"This is how he attends inappropriately: 'Was I in the past? Was I not in the past? What was I in the past? How was I in the past? Having been what, what was I in the past? Shall I be in the future? Shall I not be in the future? What shall I be in the future? How shall I be in the future? Having been what, what shall I be in the future?' Or else he is inwardly perplexed about the immediate present: 'Am I? Am I not? What am I? How am I? Where has this being come from? Where is it bound?'
"He attends appropriately, This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices. These are called the fermentations to be abandoned by seeing.
Alex123 wrote:suicide would be in that case the quick shortcut to parinibbāna.
retrofuturist wrote:There is no nibbana in suicide, rebirth or not.
alex123 wrote:If there is one life, then when one dies, there will not be any post-mortem rebirth. All hindrances, all 5 aggregates, all fetters will cease.
Suicide would make death come quicker.
alex123 wrote:I hope there is one life only, and death=parinibbāna.
retrofuturist wrote:True, but that's not parinibbana.
retrofuturist wrote:Nibbana = parinibbana = amata (deathlessness).
tiltbillings wrote: What I see a lot in this thread are those who cannot accept the Buddha taught rebirth because it flies in the face of what they can accept as being true and so they go through a lot of mental gymnastics to make their point (unconvincingly).
reflection wrote:Buddhism isn't about belief, at least not for me.
Spiny O'Norman wrote:reflection wrote:Buddhism isn't about belief, at least not for me.
Same here, and I don't think that a belief in rebirth is necessary for Buddhist practice. But I do think the Buddha taught rebirth, and I'm puzzled by the amount of energy some people put into trying to disprove it.
Spiny O'Norman wrote: ...I do think the Buddha taught rebirth, and I'm puzzled by the amount of energy some people put into trying to disprove it.
Buckwheat wrote: Would anybody care to share some best practices for resolving the doubts that arise from clinging to the wrong view of materialism/annihilation?
The memories that came flooding back were so horrific that Lisa Nasseff says she tried to kill herself: She had been raped several times, had multiple personalities and took part in satanic rituals involving unthinkable acts. She says she only got better when she realized they weren't real.
Nasseff, 31, is suing a suburban St. Louis treatment center where she spent 15 months being treated for anorexia, claiming one of its psychologists implanted the false memories during hypnosis sessions in order to keep her there long-term and run up a bill
Jhana4 wrote:If it is told to go back to a life before this one, it will invent memories.
Metta-4 wrote:And when 'awakened' from the hypnotic state, the person returns to their normal frame of reference and no longer thinks they are from Venus. This is the difference between hypnotically-induced past-life memories and those recalled by Arhants.