dxm_dxm wrote:Because every effect has a cause, there is a cause for you existing. Until that cause will be destroyed you will continue to exist even if not in the same physical body you have now.
But some people would say the cause is entirely physical. "You" exist because of the reproductive process, which results in an embryo that develops a brain, which sustains consciousness. When the brain dies, the cause is destroyed and thus you no longer exist.
Can you refute this explanation?
If you say the only cause for you existing is 2 persons having sex then after you die 2 persons could have sex in hell and the building of atoms and etc. that creates you now will ramdomly assemble somewere and make you exist there, and this "there" could be hell and you could exist there for trilions of years if the only reason for your existance is a random biological proces.
I still don't understand what you are trying to demonstrate here. Yes, if hell exists, then maybe people can have sex in it. And maybe they will give birth to hell babies. So what?
It seems counter intuitive to me.
Ok. But that doesn't prove much. Many aspects of the universe seem counterintuitive. For example, ancient people thought it was counterintuitive to believe that the earth revolved around the sun. Many people thought it was counterintuitive to think the earth was round. Several notable plane crashes (Air France 447, for example) resulted from pilots relying on intuition instead of on their instruments and training.
Intuition is an unreliable guide to reality.
It would be so nice if we would disappear after, that would solve all the budhist are striving to achive but been here because of a cause and that cause not been destroyed there is imposible to stop existing as long as the cause that made you exist does not disappear. In budhism there is no soul, the human is a complex sistem of electrons, fotons etc. that creates the ilusion of you and until the reason for the existance of such a sistem is not destroyed it will asemble somewere else. The new asembeled sistem is not the same nor is it different from the one preceeding it, it is like a flame of a candle light up by the flame of another candle. It is not the same flame but nor is it different.
Ok, this is a nice summary of some Buddhist doctrines, but it still isn't proving anything.
I sympathize with your wish to come up with a logical proof of rebirth, and am interested in the arguments that could be put forward. But to me, it sounds like you are trying to use the conclusion to support the premise. As I said before, a circular argument. You first need to establish that consciousness has a non-biological cause.