tiltbillings wrote: clw_uk wrote:
I am not arguing that rebirth is true or not; rather, I am simply pointing out it is found as a literal teaching in the suttas, as has been repeatedly and clearly demonstrated in this thread. Your appeal to the here and now is beside the point and perfect example of the NOT here and now.
Doesnt Buddha say that liberation is here and now?
That would stand regardless of if rebirth happens post mortem (which I dont care about, but you seem too :/) because of the three marks existing regardless ...
Again, your appeal
to the "here and now" is beside the point. No one is denying the "here and now" practice that the Buddha taught, but it was taught within a larger context, part of which is a teaching of literal rebirth. But you keep trying to dodge this.
It would be an appeal if it was put forward as an objective argument in debate, but it's not.
Craig just seems to be saying that it's not relevant to his practice - a position that he has substantiated on several occasions.
It seems there's a disconnect here between discussion of subjective experience, and arguing of objective fact.... causing this topic to go around in circles (as it does).
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