the great rebirth debate

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:56 pm

chownah wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:Maybe his enlightenment was a hallucination too. ;)


I think it is reasonable if you want to consider this too, but it is not so directly on topic as considering his rebirth memories.
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I think it's fine to question these things, and the authenticity of the suttas, etc, what bemuses me is how selective people can be about which bits they question.
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby visitin » Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:52 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
chownah wrote:It seems that the Buddha only slept a couple of hours a night so I think it is reasonable to at least consider the possibility that his rebirth memories might be hallucinations.
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Maybe his enlightenment was a hallucination too. ;)


Agreed! Instructions provided in "Aparihani Sutta", if followed earnestly, will induce such hallucinations.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby chownah » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:07 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
chownah wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:Maybe his enlightenment was a hallucination too. ;)


I think it is reasonable if you want to consider this too, but it is not so directly on topic as considering his rebirth memories.
chownah


I think it's fine to question these things, and the authenticity of the suttas, etc, what bemuses me is how selective people can be about which bits they question.

Yeah, I know what you are saying......personally, I question all of it from time to time.
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Mkoll » Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:27 pm

visitin wrote:
Spiny Norman wrote:
chownah wrote:It seems that the Buddha only slept a couple of hours a night so I think it is reasonable to at least consider the possibility that his rebirth memories might be hallucinations.
trollnah


Maybe his enlightenment was a hallucination too. ;)


Agreed! Instructions provided in "Aparihani Sutta", if followed earnestly, will induce such hallucinations.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Now, I know I'm unclear in what you're trying to say. :tongue:

Can you expand on that claim please?
When this is, that is.
From the arising of this comes the arising of that.
When this isn't, that isn't.
From the cessation of this comes the cessation of that.
-SN 12.61

Ex nihilo nihil fit.

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby maitreya31 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:29 am

There is 2 points that can be discussed in the rebirth topic. 1) are karma and rebirth part of the Buddha teachings according to the sutras? 2) do you believe in rebirth ? Or its rebirth true or not ? The answer of the first question is a very easy one. Both doctrines of karma and rebirth are part of the Buddha teachings according to the nikayas and the goal of classical buddhism is to stop the circle of literal rebirths ( samsara ). Do you believe in rebirth ? I would say yes. There isn't any empirical evidence of karma and rebirth being true. So why believe in this? Because I have faith in the Buddha. One can't be a buddhist without any faith or confidence in the Buddha message. I don't know by direct experience the truth of karma and rebirth. There is a chance death is the oblivion of all living being. The practice of buddhism like any religion is a gamble. We can't know for sure if death is the end . Atleast most of us can't. It's really ridiculous to argue using the nikayas that the Buddha doesn't teach karma and rebirth in a literal sense. The same rebirth debate is in another buddhist site . To be skeptical of karma and rebirth is fine . It's bullshit to argue to death that both doctrines aren't part of the Buddha teachings.
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