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the great rebirth debate

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: Rebirth? Really?

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Re: Rebirth? Really?

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Re: Rebirth? Really?

Postby SarathW » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:47 am

Hi Seeker
Good question.
What if, you become an animal in your next birth.
Please read the attached on rebirth, to get a basic knowledge about rebirth.

http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma14/budcourse.html
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Rebirth? Really?

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:50 am

There does seem to be a convention among some Theravada writers to use "rebirth" and "reincarnation" to mean two different things. However, a brief consultation of any English dictionary will show that the rest of the planet considers them to be synonyms...

Better to explain clearly what Buddhists mean by "rebirth" than to try to change the English language, if you ask me... :reading:

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Re: Rebirth? Really?

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: Rebirth? Really?

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:49 am

callmetheseeker, I am currently working my way through , which is extremely interesting.
Give it a go; Some time ago I would have said it was too wordy for me to attempt, bu I'm more comfortable with the 'level' of instruction now.

I hope you can read it and gain something from it...
:namaste:

You will not be punished FOR your 'emotions'; you will be punished BY your 'emotions'.



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‘Absit invidia verbo’ - may ill-will be absent from the word. And mindful of that, if I don't respond, may be why....

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Re: Rebirth? Really?

Postby Digity » Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:09 am

Rebirth isn't meant to be "nice" or "awesome". It's fueled by greed, ill will and aversion. These are not good things and craving keeps us trapped in this cycle of samsara. The ultimate goal is to be released from this cycle. Rebirth is something to be looked down upon. It's rooted in defilements. Instead of coming up with cool version of rebirth you should focus your attention on what the Buddha said was needed to escape it all together.

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Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

Postby Dr. Dukkha » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:41 am

If I believed that this was my only life, I'd be a monk Right Now, and I'm 20. It would be my only goal to reach Nibbana and live a peaceful, fruitful life with no suffering. Or I would truly live life on the edge and enjoy. I would be making some serious money right now and dating tons of girls if I didn't believe in rebirth. But because I know that my consciousness will be reborn forever, I'm slacking off with my desire to learn Buddhism because I know I can postpone Nibbana for another time. Do you think that rebirth gives less value to life if I'm just going to get more and more chances?

On that note, if anyone can reach Nibbana, why wouldn't I just be a criminal and then later be a monk and reach Nibbana like that serial killer who the Buddha helped reach Nibbana. :rolleye:

I'm not questioning to offend, I'm questioning to learn, just to clarify. :heart:

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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

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:namaste:

You will not be punished FOR your 'emotions'; you will be punished BY your 'emotions'.



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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

Postby Alex123 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:42 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

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Re: the great rebirth debate

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Last edited by Ron-The-Elder on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:54 am, edited 2 times in total.
What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.

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Re: Does rebirth make life less meaningful?

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:47 am

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
Dairy Lama

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby TheNoBSBuddhist » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:01 am

Letting go of opinion, is the crux of the matter.

In my opinion.

Seriously.

Hardest thing anyone could ever be asked, or expected to do.

I mean, exactly HOW do you let go of everything you truly believe in?

Exactly?
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You will not be punished FOR your 'emotions'; you will be punished BY your 'emotions'.



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‘Absit invidia verbo’ - may ill-will be absent from the word. And mindful of that, if I don't respond, may be why....

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Dr. Dukkha » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:28 am

"There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Spiny Norman » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:34 am

"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
Dairy Lama

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:04 pm

What Makes an Elder? :
A head of gray hairs doesn't mean one's an elder. Advanced in years, one's called an old fool.
But one in whom there is truth, restraint, rectitude, gentleness,self-control, he's called an elder, his impurities disgorged, enlightened.
-Dhammpada, 19, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.


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