MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:52 am

oceanmen wrote:not a monk....i wish!!
Then why the word "ordained?"
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:53 am

tiltbillings wrote:
oceanmen wrote:
Kim O'Hara wrote:I came back to reply to Tilt's question about apologies but the discussion has moved on far beyond that, so I'll do something more appropriate and make a request to those who are arguing the merits of Islam vs Buddhism: please re-read the last ten (or so) posts, mentally swapping Mohammed/Islam/Arabic for Buddha/Buddhism/Pali and vice versa, and ponder the result before posting again.
:namaste:
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thank you

@titl: i m not Baha'i - born Muslim and ordained Buddhist (which does not make me less Muslim/Buddhist)
Ordained? You are a monk?

our greatest enemy is our Ego
Not really. It is taking the ego too seriously that is the problem.



if you dont take the Ego too seriously does that mean you take humility too lightly?
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:54 am

tiltbillings wrote:
oceanmen wrote:not a monk....i wish!!
Then why the word "ordained?"



.....i thought its applicable for non monks as well....
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:55 am

oceanmen wrote:

if you take the Ego too seriously does that mean you take humility too lightly?
Humility can be quite self-deceptive, just as can be sincerity.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:57 am

oceanmen wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
oceanmen wrote:not a monk....i wish!!
Then why the word "ordained?"



.....i thought its applicable for non monks as well....
Not really. Generally ordained suggest becoming a monk. Going for refuge (most commonly mistranslated as taking refuge) is what is used for laity.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:58 am

tiltbillings wrote:
oceanmen wrote:

if you take the Ego too seriously does that mean you take humility too lightly?
Humility can be quite self-deceptive, just as can be sincerity.


equinimity between ego and humility or regarding the illusion in them is what u mean?
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:00 am

oceanmen wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
oceanmen wrote:

if you take the Ego too seriously does that mean you take humility too lightly?
Humility can be quite self-deceptive, just as can be sincerity.


equinimity between ego and humility or regarding the illusion in them is what u mean?
No. Nothing so complicated. We human beings just have a great capacity for self-deception.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:08 am

Rather that saying one must read the Koran in Arabic to understand; it would be far better to say: "It is what Muslims believe that to truly understand the Koran. . . .


do you have the Buddhist sutta of not believing anything unless u do proper investigation?
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:13 am

oceanmen wrote:
Rather that saying one must read the Koran in Arabic to understand; it would be far better to say: "It is what Muslims believe that to truly understand the Koran. . . .


do you have the Buddhist sutta of not believing anything unless u do proper investigation?
Do you understand my point here about the differences between to the two statements? Might you not wonder about the differences in the responses elicited between the two?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:26 am

tiltbillings wrote:
oceanmen wrote:
Rather that saying one must read the Koran in Arabic to understand; it would be far better to say: "It is what Muslims believe that to truly understand the Koran. . . .


do you have the Buddhist sutta of not believing anything unless u do proper investigation?
Do you understand my point here about the differences between to the two statements? Might you not wonder about the differences in the responses elicited between the two?



i understand and i agree...hope its likewise...!!
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:27 am

oceanmen wrote:

i understand and i agree...hope its likewise...!!

There is always hope.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:03 pm

Hmmm, I've often noticed people leave out the "praised by the wise" bit when misquoting the Kalama Sutta, if that's what you're refering to Oceanmen.
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:11 pm

Mawkish1983 wrote:Hmmm, I've often noticed people leave out the "praised by the wise" bit when misquoting the Kalama Sutta, if that's what you're refering to Oceanmen.


please elaborate, i dont understand
what is Kalama Sutta and what is "praised by the wise"
i m new here :reading:
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby Laurens » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:18 pm

I don't think much of Muhammed. I wonder how people rationalize worshipping a paedophile?

'Narrated Aisha: The Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64


A guy who had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl.

Doesn't sound like a Buddha.... This is but why example of why it would be reasonable to consider Muhammed a twisted and evil individual...
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:22 pm

oceanmen wrote:please elaborate

With reference to...
oceanmen wrote:do you have the Buddhist sutta of not believing anything unless u do proper investigation?

I think you are thinking of the Kalama Sutta. Search on Accesstoinsight for it :)
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:25 pm

Laurens wrote:twisted and evil individual
I don't think there are any evil people, just people who choose to do evil deeds.
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby Laurens » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:30 pm

Mawkish1983 wrote:
Laurens wrote:twisted and evil individual
I don't think there are any evil people, just people who choose to do evil deeds.


Okay, well the point I was making is that Muhammed was not exactly a peaceful and "Buddhist" individual. He is claimed to have beheaded 600 - 900 in Banu Qurayza for example. There are no Buddhist scriptures proclaiming the murderous acts of Gotama.

Its a popular misconception that Islam is founded upon peace. Whilst there are undoubtedly peaceful Muslims - they are unfortunately somewhat unorthodox.
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:30 pm

Laurens wrote:I don't think much of Muhammed. I wonder how people rationalize worshipping a paedophile?

'Narrated Aisha: The Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old Sahih al-Bukhari, 7:62:64


A guy who had sexual relations with a 9 year old girl.

Doesn't sound like a Buddha.... This is but why example of why it would be reasonable to consider Muhammed a twisted and evil individual...



sorry bro, thats hadith again....fabricated and unreliable
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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:36 pm

Okay, well the point I was making is that Muhammed was not exactly a peaceful and "Buddhist" individual. He is claimed to have beheaded 600 - 900 in Banu Qurayza for example. There are no Buddhist scriptures proclaiming the murderous acts of Gotama.

Its a popular misconception that Islam is founded upon peace. Whilst there are undoubtedly peaceful Muslims - they are unfortunately somewhat unorthodox.


Muhammed was not exactly a peaceful and "Buddhist" individual.

did you meet him?

where did you get that claim of 600-900 beheaded...never heard of it
another fabricated hadith probably and not in line with koran

as for islam not being found on peace, i half agree with you

during the time of Mohamed he never spread islam by the sword
he was only defending himself when being attacked and their numbers were small
when they entered mecca after 10 years of peace he made it crystal clear:
let no man cut a tree, let no man hurt any child or woman, elderly, or anyone who stays in his home
it was a clean entry without a drop of blood

i do however agree that after his death the age of islamic colonalization emerged and
that age as todays muslims, both have "Nothing" to do with koranic teachings at all

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Re: MUHAMMAD (PBUH) IN BUDDHIST SCRIPTURES?

Postby oceanmen » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:36 pm

Mawkish1983 wrote:
oceanmen wrote:please elaborate

With reference to...
oceanmen wrote:do you have the Buddhist sutta of not believing anything unless u do proper investigation?

I think you are thinking of the Kalama Sutta. Search on Accesstoinsight for it :)



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