How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby Annapurna » Sun Jul 04, 2010 7:52 pm

Sanghamitta, now what is it?

Here you say you had to guess what it means:

As I am not a 14 year old I am only guess what "dissing" means from context.


But then you say you know what it is:

the reason I referred to "14 year olds" is because " dissing" is teenage argot.


I'm sorry, but those 2 statements seem to contradict each other, you either know, or you don't! :shrug:



Let us address the CONTENT of other peoples posts. The points they are making. What they are communicating. lets not get bogged down with telling others HOW they should post. Lets trust the moderators to address any inappropriate posts.
Lets not turn this valuable resource into a social networking site , lets use it to deepen our knowledge of Buddhadhamma. And not attempt to influence the way other people communicate or learn.


Nice appeal, but what for? Is studying sutthas not for ourselves, and don't we grow with each other?

Lets trust the moderators to address any inappropriate posts.


Yes, but, this topic is NOT about mods, but about learning more about right speech (for)ourselves, and not about delegating responsibility to mods!

It's neither about criticising them, nor about flattering them!

if something is not to our taste , then read something else, not set ourselves up as class prefects.


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Dear Sanghamitta, absolutely. Do feel free not to post in this one anymore, if it's not to your taste.

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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:26 am

I treat beginners exactly the same way I treat everyone. I find it easiest to give people courtesy and respect.
That's not intended as a lecture, I'm just sharing :)

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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby ground » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:36 am

There are two aspects in this question
How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?


1. reply to others
2. reply to beginners

as to 1. reply to others
I think the guideline is provided by right speech and Abhaya Sutta.
As to the Abhaya Sutta the Tathagata demontrates what should be said and what should not be said and when should be said what should be said:
a) "beneficial" prevails "true" in the sense that a true but unbeneficial fact is never said even if "endearing & agreeable"
b) What is not "true" is never said even if the lie would be "beneficial"
c) what is true and beneficial always has its time to be said and the Buddha, because of being a buddha and because of having "sympathy for living beings" "has a sense of the proper time for saying ..."
Challenging for us are the questions "what is beneficial in a special case?" and "what is the right time?" and "what is true?"
I think the only thing we can do is to rely on transmitted scripture (as to truth and benefit) and to respond if our minds are not obscured by afflictions (as to right time).

as to 2. reply to beginners
Here there is the presumption that we ourselves do have something a so called "beginner" has not and this presumption needs to be analysed as to truth and wholesome or unwholesome effects.

Kind regards

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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:23 am

Ngawang Drolma wrote:I treat beginners exactly the same way I treat everyone. I find it easiest to give people courtesy and respect.
That's not intended as a lecture, I'm just sharing :)

Best,
Laura


Thank you, Laura. :anjali:
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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:11 am

Annapurna wrote:Again, this topic here is not about forum rules, therefore not meta, it's about the Dhamma, which is not meta.
What motivated this discussion? It was kicked off by a perceived rudeness towards a beginner in another thread. I think the point of being polite and all has been driven home (a couple of times).
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson

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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:09 am

TMingyur wrote:There are two aspects in this question
How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?


1. reply to others
2. reply to beginners

as to 1. reply to others
I think the guideline is provided by right speech and Abhaya Sutta.
As to the Abhaya Sutta the Tathagata demontrates what should be said and what should not be said and when should be said what should be said:
a) "beneficial" prevails "true" in the sense that a true but unbeneficial fact is never said even if "endearing & agreeable"
b) What is not "true" is never said even if the lie would be "beneficial"
c) what is true and beneficial always has its time to be said and the Buddha, because of being a buddha and because of having "sympathy for living beings" "has a sense of the proper time for saying ..."
Challenging for us are the questions "what is beneficial in a special case?" and "what is the right time?" and "what is true?"
I think the only thing we can do is to rely on transmitted scripture (as to truth and benefit) and to respond if our minds are not obscured by afflictions (as to right time).

as to 2. reply to beginners
Here there is the presumption that we ourselves do have something a so called "beginner" has not and this presumption needs to be analysed as to truth and wholesome or unwholesome effects.

Kind regards



Thanks, TMingyur, for the suttha. Wasn't aware of it, but am happy you shared it.

This is how I hoped the topic would be.

Sharing the Dhamma.
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Re: How do we skillfully reply to others, esp. beginners?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:38 am

This thread has made its point, served its purpose, and is now repeating itself, going in circles. Time to end.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson


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