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Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby villkorkarma » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:03 pm

IN a book of willuiam hart he interwies and goneka speaks self to he says in the book this:

meditators dont try to reach a special hapinessstate or extaczystate and then he speaks about right koncentration.

Hw can this be?
All meditarors try to reach a hapineesstate so what is he meaning?
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby Fede » Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:16 pm

No.
If you are "trying" to reach a happy state, you are meditation with the incorrect intention, and incorrect view, or objective.
Meditation is not about reaching a state of happiness.
Meditation is about abiding in the moment, and letting things arise, drift and pass without attaching any importance or significance to them.
You observe the thoughts that come to your mind, but you do not hold on to them, or focus on them.
Let things be, do not participate in anything that arises, but notice them... and let them go.
Observe your body as you breathe, in and then out.
Rest in calm abiding and simply sit.

serenity, happiness, inner peace, joy.... these develop within meditation and outside of it.
But they are not the objective.

I hope you understand my English, and that I have put forward my own opinion, clearly enough for you. :)
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby altar » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:06 pm

Actually what is wrong with having such intention?
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby Fede » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:07 pm

happiness is a bi-product. it is not the goal.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:18 pm

Hi villkorkarma
If you quote exactly what is written, in context, it will aid discussion.
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby villkorkarma » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:51 pm

Do you mean that to be objective isnt good at all?
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby villkorkarma » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:56 pm

im not englishtalking but google translated it to be neutral can i say (objektiv)
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby Ben » Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:16 pm

I understand that you are speaking another language and you are using google to translate to English.
It must make discussion or raising issues difficult.
But in order to get to the truth with regards to what Mr Goenka or William Hart said, we need to examine the text.
I no longer have copies of Art of Living, despite returning from India with a box of Hart's book in 1990.
In answer to your question, being objective is excellent.
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby villkorkarma » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:03 pm

But we must agree on this point i think: meditators try to reach a happiness state
but they do it on different ways, thank you all

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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby bodom » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:20 pm

villkorkarma wrote:But we must agree on this point i think: meditators try to reach a happiness state
but they do it on different ways, thank you all

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The heart of the path is SO simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice. Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing. Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this - just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle. - Ajahn Chah
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Re: Citat from SN GOENKA the famous one

Postby Sobeh » Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:08 am

Happiness = Equanimity + Mindfulness, per the third jhana:

"Further, with the fading away of rapture, remaining imperturbable, mindful, and clearly aware, he enters the third jhana and experiences within himself the joy of which the Noble Ones declare, "Happy is he who dwells with equanimity and mindfulness." He drenches, steeps, saturates, and suffuses his body with this happiness free from rapture so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused with happiness."
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