has the dhamma deterioond the ability to practice?

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has the dhamma deterioond the ability to practice?

Postby bhlub? » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:45 pm

i read somewhere that the dhamma would be lost in 500 years

BUT

it's the quality of the students, not the teachings that will be lost

are we just entertaining ourselves with the hope of enlightenment?

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Re: has the dhamma deterioond the ability to practice?

Postby jcsuperstar » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:10 pm

bhlub? wrote:i read somewhere that the dhamma would be lost in 500 years

different commentaries say different things, so there are different opinions on this topic.
it's the quality of the students, not the teachings that will be lost


the teachings will be lost but what you're asking is a a kind of chick vs egg thing

are we just entertaining ourselves with the hope of enlightenment?


i'm sure some people are, others maybe not
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Re: has the dhamma deterioond the ability to practice?

Postby bhlub? » Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:37 pm

thanks for replying :D
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Re: has the dhamma deterioond the ability to practice?

Postby cooran » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:38 pm

bhlub? wrote:i read somewhere that the dhamma would be lost in 500 years

BUT

it's the quality of the students, not the teachings that will be lost

are we just entertaining ourselves with the hope of enlightenment?

peace

Hello bhlub,

This might be of interest - From Nina van Gorkom, an Author and Dhamma scholar - knowledgeable about the Commentaries and Abhidhamma:

We read in the Gradual Sayings (Book of the Twos, Ch II, § 10) that the
Buddha said:

Monks, these two things conduce to the confusion and disappearance of true
Dhamma. What two?
The wrong expression of the letter (of the text) and wrong interpretation of
the meaning of it. For if the letter be wrongly expressed, the
interpretation of the meaning is also wrong.....
Monks, these two things conduce to the establishment, the non-confusion, to
the non-disappearance of true Dhamma. What two?
The right expression of the letter and right interpretation of the meaning.
For if the letter be rightly expressed, the interpretation of the meaning is
also right....

In the course of time the Buddha¹s teachings will be corrupted and then
disappear. The last holy site we visited was Bodhgaya. Here one of our group
read a text about the disappearance of the teachings. The ³Dispeller of
Delusion² (the commentary to the Book of Analysis, commentary to Ch 16,
Classification of Knowledge) is one of the texts explaining about the
disappearance of the teachings 1 . We read (431):

For there are three kinds of disappearance: disappearance of theoretical
understanding (pariyatti), disappearance of penetration (paìivedha) and
disappearance of practice (paìipatti). Herein, pariyatti is the three parts
of the Tipiìaka; the penetration is the penetration of the Truths; the
practice is the way....

Further on we read that of the Scriptures first the Book of the Patthåna
(Conditional Relations) of the Abhidhamma disappears, and then successively
the other Books of the Abhidamma. After that the Books of the Suttanta will
successively disappear. We read:

But when the two Piìakas 2 have disappeared, while the Vinaya Pitaka
endures, the teachings (såsana) endure.

Also the Vinaya will disappear. Further on the text states that there are
three kinds of complete extinction:


Complete extinction of defilements, complete extinction of the aggregates
(khandhas) 3 and complete extinction of the relics. Herein, complete
extinction of the defilements took place on the Wisdom Seat, the complete
extinction of the aggregates at Kusinåra 4 and the complete extinction of
the relics will take place in the future.

It is then explained that all the relics will gather together and will go to
the ³Great Wisdom Seat² in Bodhgaya. We read:

Heaped up on the Great Wisdom Seat, they will become one solid mass like a
pile of gold and will emit six-coloured rays...

We read that they will be burnt by the fire element and that then the
teachings have come to an end.

The Buddha¹s attainment of enlightenment under the Bodhi-tree was the
beginning of the teachings. He taught satipatthåna, the development of right
understanding, from then on until his passing away. When the relics
disappear on the Great Wisdom Seat the teachings have come to an end.
Therefore, it was very meaningful that the text of the disappearance of the
teachings was read near the Bodhi-tree. It reminds us not to neglect the
study of the Dhamma the Buddha had penetrated at the time of his
enlightenment, and above all, to develop right understanding in daily life,
so that the meaning of the teachings can be realized. After the reading of
this text we all asked the Triple Gem for forgiveness of our faults and
shortcomings through action, speech or thought. This is done each time we
visit the holy sites, at the very end of our visit, and in this case it was
near the Bodhi-tree.
The Buddha explained the eightfold Path so that people could develop it and
realize the four noble Truths, the Truth of dukkha, unsatisfactoriness of
all conditioned realities that arise and fall away; the Truth of the
origination of dukkha that is clinging; the truth of the cessation of dukkha
that is nibbåna; the Truth of the Path leading to the cessation of dukkha,
that is the eightfold path. When there isn¹t anybody who can clearly explain
the right practice, the development of the eightfold Path, people cannot
develop it and they cannot realize the four noble Truths. When nobody in
this world can penetrate the four noble Truths anymore, the world will be
dark. The Dhamma will gradually disappear.
At the last day of our pilgrimage, when we were in Patna, Acharn Sujin said:
³The teachings are almost dying, let us develop right understanding². We do
not have to feel depressed when thinking of the disappearance of the
teachings. On the contrary, we should have courage and cheerfulness to begin
again and again developing right understanding.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dhammastudygroup/message/11275

with metta
Chris
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