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Samma samadhi: Sujin Boriharnwanaket

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Samma samadhi: Sujin Boriharnwanaket

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Re: Samma samadhi: Sujin Boriharnwanaket

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:41 am

A discussion of the Sujin take on things will have to show that her's is in line with the sutta and the whole of the commentarial traditiuon, not just a selective reading of them as we have seen in this thread: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... erfections

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Re: Samma samadhi: Sujin Boriharnwanaket

Postby robertk » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:49 am

It is not uncommon for Buddhist and non-Buddhist to mistake states of concentration for an actual attainment of a higher plane of consciousness. As the Dhammasangani makes clear such factors as sukkham (mental ease) and samadhi do not neccesarily indicate anything auspicious- it may in fact be only purified lobha:

""What on that occasion is ease (sukkham) the mental pleasure, the mental ease which on that occasion is pleasant, easeful experience born of contact ...What on that occasion is ekaggatta. The stability, solidity, absorbed steadfastness of thought which on that occasion is absence of distraction, balance, unperturbed mental procedure, quiet, the faculty and the power of concentration WRONG concentration.'"------------

However, because these concentration states are much less distracting and concentrated than normal daily life they are naturally attractive and deceiving.
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Samma samadhi: Sujin Boriharnwanaket

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: Samma samadhi: Sujin Boriharnwanaket

Postby bodom » Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:16 am

Hi RobertK

Check out Analayo's Satipatthana sutta commentary, pg 73, where he gives citations to suttas that do not mention jhana as part of right concentration.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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