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Nondualism

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:08 am

I rest my case. And refer you to...

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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:53 am

Yup, Bhikkhu Bodhi nailed it just as I thought.

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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:10 pm

So there.... :rofl:

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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

Postby PeterB » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:53 pm

I have just quoted one experience chosen because of its odd circumstances. I have plenty of such experiences, another was as a result of meditating with Tai Situ Rinpoche.
..and they are all bullshit..just stuff to be let go of.
The best they can do is offer confirmation that there is more in heaven and earth than your "Idiots Guide To A Level Psychology " tells you.
As Goldstein ( or whoever ) says. " After The Ecstacy, The Laundry ".

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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:28 pm

A lot of talk abot non-duality, but no clear, percise definition of it as of yet. So far I am needing to open the windows.

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Re: Nondualism

Postby tiltbillings » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:31 pm

Also, while we are tip-toeing around here, let's try to pretend, at least, that we can be civil to each other.

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Re: Nondualism

Postby Shonin » Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:52 pm

I don't think any of us have any final answers here. We're all just making our way on the path as best we can, based on what appears to work for us and for others. And of course it isn't necessarily the case that there is only one valid way to practice, although I have encountered people in almost every branch of Buddhism who insist that only their's is the true way.

I try to keep my mind as open as I can. As I see it Zen and Theravada are not the same, yet there is a large area of common ground - perhaps in the most important areas - and I do respect them both as valid paths.

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Re: Nondualism

Postby Moth » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:13 pm

Better to focus on the similarities than the differences, me thinks. Judgement is hypocritical by default.
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Re: Nondualism

Postby Prasadachitta » Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:23 pm

It seems to me Non dual might be said to have two meanings...

An awareness of the consistency and reliability of causes and effects which leaves no room for the idea of a subjective observer independent of them.

or

An Awareness which while leaving behind the notion of a subjective observer also abandons the continuity of discernment.



Just a thought

I dont use the term myself so Im speculating.


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Re: Nondualism

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Re: Nondualism

Postby ground » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:27 am

On an analytical level there is no way to draw a demarcation line between an object perceived and the perceiver and neither the object nor the perceiver can be found under analysis to be inherently existing. From this it follows that there is also no way to draw a demarcation line between the variety of phenomena perceived: All are neither the perceiver nor different from the perceiver and in this regard they are not inherently different. If this analytical fact is called "nondualism" then "nondualism" is analytically established. But to conclude "unity" is invalid - it is invalid from the viewpoint of the non-analytical conventional and it invalid from the viewpoint of the analytical conventional since "unity" presumes "difference" between the entities united. There is non-analytical conventional "difference" directly perceptable but there is no non-analytical conventional directly perceptable "unity". Neither "difference" can be found under analytical investigation nor "unity".

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Re: Nondualism

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:19 am

Hi TMingyur,

I'm having a little difficulty following your post (probably my fault), but is your argument similar to how it is explained in the quote by Gethin that I posted above?
See: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5208#p80888

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Re: Nondualism

Postby tiltbillings » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:49 am

And so we have niocely illustrated here the confusion that goes with the notion of non-duality.


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