Thanks all for discussing this topic. Here are a few related quotes and their links to the Pali texts. Your comments how these relate to this topic of thinking vs meditating and to your previous posts would be appreciated.
"I secluded the mind from sensual desires and thoughts of demerit and with logical reasoning and investigation, with pleasant joy born of seclusion raised my mind to the first high stage and abode" (link is http://www.buddhism.org/Sutras/Agama/Sa ... ttam-e.htm
). Here it appears to me the first jhana is attained by focusing and thinking (i.e. logical reasoning and investigation)
"We who raise the mind to a higher degree should praise the bhikkhus studying the Teaching. What is the reason? It is surprising and rare to find persons who understand the deep meanings in the Teaching and penetratingly see it with wisdom." (link is http://www.buddhism.org/Sutras/Agama/An ... aggo-e.htm
) Here it appears to me that there are two acceptable paths, one is raising the mind to a higher state (meditating? jhanas?), the other is studying the teaching (studying and thinking just as one would learn calculus or physics?)
Would you agree with how I am understanding the above?
I fully agree with previous posters that by thinking one can not touch supermundane areas such as seeing past lives, seeing karma as it affects future births, psychic powers, etc. But can anyone here, or anyone anywhere, through meditation, reach this deep? Again I link to a section in the Pali text that talks about monks who state of themselves "Birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived, duties are done, I know there is nothing more to wish" yet also state they can not do a list of supermundane things. They state that they are "released through wisdom". Above "wisdom" is related to "studying the teaching".
Link is http://www.buddhism.org/Sutras/Agama/Sa ... aggo-e.htm
(section with The Wandering Ascetic Susãma)
As always, I am here to discuss and grow, never to argue or discount anyones opinions, statements or interpretations.
He is different. He thinks.