Viriya wrote:I've heard two different versions of when life begins, i.e., the stream of consciousness entering the womb, from Buddhist teachers.
Sobeh wrote:Viriya wrote:I've heard two different versions of when life begins, i.e., the stream of consciousness entering the womb, from Buddhist teachers.
I get off the train at the bolded portion.
Sanghamitta wrote:Ok the meat of the question....what does it matter ? Why do you care ?
Sanghamitta wrote:I am not saying that you shouldn't care. Merely pointing out that as the Buddha put it, if you have an arrow sticking into your ribs, rather than speculating about the nature the wood and the type of bird the feathers came from and the motivation of the archer it might be a good idea to get the arrow out....For which see the Eightfold Noble Path..
As to those who lob awkward questions some people find it more expedient to refrain from identifying ourselves as Buddhists until we are confident that we can be exemplars...which leaves me out.
I think you will find Viriya that even if you find a form of words that satisfies you...the abortion debate will still remain unresolved.
Viriya wrote:Option 1 seems unlikely to me, because why would the citta, craving sensual stimulation, hang around the womb without the means of contact with the world it so loves? Does it 'possess' the as-yet-senseless cells?I keep getting told it's the sexual act which sparks the citta's interest and draws it into the womb...but I wonder how the minds of ordinary people can exist for extended periods of time without sense-contact.
Viriya wrote:Sanghamitta wrote:Ok the meat of the question....what does it matter ? Why do you care ?
The answer to this question impacts on how Buddhists view abortion.
Hanzze wrote:When the sperm enters egg cell.
Sanghamitta wrote:Of course Ajahn Brahm stops short of the latest developments which include the possibility that the fertilized egg will be developed without recourse to a human womb at all......If we take a literalist view of the Suttas are we prepared to say that the resulting baby developed without a human womb is not human ? To say nothing of the very real possibility of human cloning which will involve no egg or sperm or womb.
Stefan wrote:When Does Human Life Begin? - by Ajahn Brahm
One of the unstated but necessary ingredients for rebirth is the sight of one’s future mother, which acts as a magnet to draw the stream of consciousness in. Such an attractor would be
absent in a laboratory.
Conclusion: embryos outside of a mother’s womb are not reckoned as human life, and thus the ethical considerations specific to human beings do not apply.
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