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what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Alex123 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:13 am

Hello all,

What is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Personally, if I were placed in a coma and without any reasonable chance of emerging from it, or if I would be mentally incapacitated if I did emerge, I
would prefer if I would be switched off life support and euthanized. If I were in severe and mind altering pain so much so I couldn't practice, I would prefer
to be euthanized.

What about you?

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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Cloud » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:17 am

I would prefer not to leave my family with a larger medical bill than necessary. We all die, and I've made my peace with death. One who sees clearly knows that truly there is neither birth nor death, thus the unborn and deathless reality. We all share this reality, but do not all accept it.

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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:17 am

Greetings,

Assuming we're talking about voluntary euthanasia, I think it ought to be for the individual to decide.

I'm uncomfortable with laws and/or the enforcement of religious beliefs upon others which deny them the right to die.

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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:52 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Assuming we're talking about voluntary euthanasia, I think it ought to be for the individual to decide.

I'm uncomfortable with laws and/or the enforcement of religious beliefs upon others which deny them the right to die.

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Hello Retro,

But who would kill the ill patient? When it only involves the patient, I have nothing against it. When the patient has to ask someone else to kill him, that, I'm against.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Phra Chuntawongso » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:29 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Assuming we're talking about voluntary euthanasia, I think it ought to be for the individual to decide.

I'm uncomfortable with laws and/or the enforcement of religious beliefs upon others which deny them the right to die.

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Hello Retro,

But who would kill the ill patient? When it only involves the patient, I have nothing against it. When the patient has to ask someone else to kill him, that, I'm against.

This is where it can get tricky.My own views on euthanasia are neither here nor there,but the question about asking someone to do the killing is another story.
Personally I see this as unskillful.However I am also coming from a monks pov and I realise that some things are more black and white from that angle.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Digger » Sun Dec 12, 2010 12:08 pm

Here is a link to a section of the Pali Canon where a very sick monk named Channa takes his own life:

http://www.buddhism.org/Sutras/Agama/Sa ... aggo-e.htm
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Rui Sousa » Wed Dec 15, 2010 1:33 pm

Digger wrote:Here is a link to a section of the Pali Canon where a very sick monk named Channa takes his own life:

http://www.buddhism.org/Sutras/Agama/Sa ... aggo-e.htm


Very interesting, thank you for the link.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Jason » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:45 am

Alex123 wrote:Hello all,

What is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Personally, if I were placed in a coma and without any reasonable chance of emerging from it, or if I would be mentally incapacitated if I did emerge, I
would prefer if I would be switched off life support and euthanized. If I were in severe and mind altering pain so much so I couldn't practice, I would prefer
to be euthanized.

What about you?

With metta,

Alex


I don't have anything against it as long as the person in question has given their prior consent and/or is being assisted in their decision to end their own life (you can find more of my thoughts about it here). As for myself, I think I'd prefer it to the above two situation as well.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby cooran » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:04 am

At most hospitals here, a person who is terminally ill and in great pain will be given as much morphine (say) as is needed to control the pain.

The patient and relatives may be told that the amount given ‘could’ cause death. But the actual intention is not to cause death, but to ease the patient.

I discussed this with my Ajahn , and he said that is in line with the Buddha’s teachings. Even though the dose meant only to relieve pain has to be high enough and could kill, the intention is definitely not to do that.

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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Skaffen » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:37 am

cooran wrote:At most hospitals here, a person who is terminally ill and in great pain will be given as much morphine (say) as is needed to control the pain.

The patient and relatives may be told that the amount given ‘could’ cause death. But the actual intention is not to cause death, but to ease the patient.

I discussed this with my Ajahn , and he said that is in line with the Buddha’s teachings. Even though the dose meant only to relieve pain has to be high enough and could kill, the intention is definitely not to do that.

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My friends Dad got a 'Morphine Driver' to help him on his way (had been bad for a long time) - quite deliberate action as my friend was of course consulted.

I think I could forsake my sense of guilt to help someone in such a position, certainly wouldn't have any of my family go through terminal, protracted pain if they had enough...wouldn't give a fuk about societies moral yardstick.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Digger » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:53 pm

My 96 year old grandmother was in hospice with terminal cancer. Plenty of morphine, she was actually joking around and laughing. One of the last things she said to me was "I wish I would just hurry up and die already". Morphine can be a good thing.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:00 pm

cooran wrote:At most hospitals here, a person who is terminally ill and in great pain will be given as much morphine (say) as is needed to control the pain.

The patient and relatives may be told that the amount given ‘could’ cause death. But the actual intention is not to cause death, but to ease the patient.

I discussed this with my Ajahn , and he said that is in line with the Buddha’s teachings. Even though the dose meant only to relieve pain has to be high enough and could kill, the intention is definitely not to do that.

With metta
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Yes.

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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:16 pm

My mother was supposed to be put into an artificial coma....but it never got that far...she passed away before that.

If a coma is possible, and it is, what do you need euthanasy for...
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby son of dhamma » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:09 pm

The Sutta Pitaka establishes quite clearly what the Buddha said about suicide, and self-destruction concerning physical health and terminal illness.
*If there is no attachment to life, if there is no lust for material or immaterial existence, then there is Arahantship and abandoning the body is only righteous. This is depicted in several stories in the nikayas of the Sutta Pitaka. Self-destruction of this manner is also acceptable in the situation of terminal or an exhaustive illness that brings hardship to other people--rather than burdening them (money, taking energy, extended emotional stress), then one may abandon his body with detachment and without blame.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby BlackBird » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:38 pm

I have given some consideration to the problem of euthanasia. My mum for example if ever put into a situation where life support is the only thing keeping her alive and the hope of a recovery is nil, she would rather have the plug pulled. I've told her I'm not sure if I could do that - I'm not sure whether it would constitute matricide in the kammic sense, I would appreciate others input here.

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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby son of dhamma » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:50 pm

The Buddha only permitted the self-destruction of Arahants, only beings in whom craving has been extinguished and there is no lust for material or immaterial existence. If there is lust, if there is attachment, then any method of destruction of life has consequences, bad consequences, and is a violation of the first precept. It may be sad that a mother is experiencing great pain, her bad kamma is expressing itself gratuitously--this saddens the children, or the husband, or humanitarians. They become sad :cry: , they do not want her to suffer. But they cannot take her suffering away by killing her or condoning her to commit suicide, and likewise neither can she. Death is not an escape, death is a predicate to compulsive life and further suffering. This self-destruction would ensure further suffering for the patient, or further suffering for the issuers if they make the decision whilst she is incapacitated.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby son of dhamma » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:48 am

Cloud wrote:I would prefer not to leave my family with a larger medical bill than necessary. We all die, and I've made my peace with death. One who sees clearly knows that truly there is neither birth nor death, thus the unborn and deathless reality. We all share this reality, but do not all accept it.

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One who sees clearly has no attachment, he is Enlightened and he is not ignorant of the nature of his mind. He can self-destruct without consequence, without kammic conditioning, he enters the "final rest". But, one who does not see clearly, who is still beset by craving and fundamentally ignorant, he lusts for existence and is reborn to reap the fruit of killing a living being.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby Digger » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:02 am

Is anyone familiar with the Terri Schiavo case regarding the woman that was in a coma for years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case

The hospice she died in is just a few blocks from my house.
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Re: what is your opinion on Euthanasia?

Postby son of dhamma » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:17 am

Interesting that you lived in such close proximity.
Really, legal mandate is seperate from Right conduct, because it denies the consequence to the invdividual acting out the legality or illegality of it. Whatever person--probably a nurse?--who unplugged the feeding tube was killing a living being, as were the people who made the decision to do it, the people who consented to it by signing legal forms, etc. There are five recquisite conditions present in the killing of a living being:
Living being, awareness that it is a living being, intention of killing, effort to kill, and consequent death.
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