What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

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What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:44 pm

I know this has probably been asked a dozen times, but I would like Sutta references where the Buddha clearly answers this question.

But I am aware this is a paradox, and so then who inherits the karma is there is no soul/atta?
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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby bodom » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:11 pm

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:26 pm

If that is so, what do you recommend that clears this inconsistency between karma, rebirth, and anatta? :?: :thinking:
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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby m0rl0ck » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:29 pm

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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Sanghamitta » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:32 pm

:goodpost:

The only way in fact. If we could figure this stuff out by logic and deduction we wouldnt need Buddhas. But we cant.
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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:20 pm

I always thought perhaps conditioned arising explains it, but is Karma a property or effect of conditioned arising rather than actually being a literal result of volitional actions? I mean volitional actions are already affected by conditional arising so that's why it came to me, but I wasn't sure and I wanted to see if anyone else could explain it in a clear way.
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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Kenshou » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:40 pm

I've always thought about it like this: The person I will be in a week (using "person" conventionally, keeping in mind anatta and all) is not the same as the person I am now, yet the actions I take now can likely have an impact "me" later. There is no constant essence of "me" either in the present, future, or inbetween, but since those two snapshots in time are results of the same conditioning process, the conditions set in place by an earlier one impact the other. So in short, I'd guess it's the same "process" that inherits kamma, kamma itself being part of the process. Then again I can't find a sutta to confirm this, just what makes sense to me.

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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby cooran » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:34 pm

Hello Wizard,

Worth reading and contemplating:

Anatta (Non-self) by Ajahn Brahmavamso
http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... ANATTA.htm

Anatta (Non-self) and Kamma (Karma): The Best Kept Secret in the Universe Ajahn Jagaro
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha260.htm

No inner core - Anatta Sayadaw U Silananda
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha215.htm

Puggala Nirātman and Dhammā Anatta - A Dynamic Encounter With Life
http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha326.htm

Anatta or soul-lessness
http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell09.htm

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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:53 pm

The is another important source on this topic.
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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:56 pm

Thanks Venerable, that's a much better translation than the one I linked to above...

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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

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Re: What inherits the Karma if there is Anatta?

Postby Viscid » Fri Dec 17, 2010 5:21 pm

Don't worry about it and just be good, damn it.

I'm going to throw in a rant here that I've been brewing for the past couple days just because:

Rebirth is likely oversimplified to a disgusting degree by everyone, [if it occurs.] I liken the rebirth of ourselves to the rebirth of stars. Our sun was born from the remnants of now-dead stars. Maybe not just a single dead star, maybe a whole bunch with different compositions that, after they went nova, formed the cosmic nursery from which our sun coalesced. (We know this because there are heavy elements in our sun which could've only come from the nucleosynthesis of bigger stars.) But if those stars didn't exist at the locations they did, didn't have the elemental composition they did, didn't have the size they did, didn't go nova at the time they did, our Sun may've accordingly had different properties. I imagine rebirth to be as equally complex; to say that our sun exists as it does due to the lifetime of another star would be accurate, but it produces a representation of linear causality in our minds which is a gross oversimplification.
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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James


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