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NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby old dead wood » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:50 am

In NDE studies, experiences common in most accounts are posited ( travelling thru tunnel, bright light, life review with emotional experiencing, etc.). Would mindfulness practiced pre-death change / negate / bypass any of these experiences, in your opinion ? When you are confronted with these after-death, how would you practice, whether they be heavenly or hellish ?

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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Dec 17, 2010 4:44 am

old dead wood wrote:In NDE studies, experiences common in most accounts are posited ( travelling thru tunnel, bright light, life review with emotional experiencing, etc.). Would mindfulness practiced pre-death change / negate / bypass any of these experiences, in your opinion ? When you are confronted with these after-death, how would you practice, whether they be heavenly or hellish ?



Wow what an interesting question. There has been a lot of research on how meditation changes everyday consciousness, there is data that suggests people who do it are happier and tolerate change and pain better, so it would have to have an effect in this area as well.


EDIT: looks like there may be some good reading on the subject http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1RNN ... e+buddhist

2nd EDIT: Wading thru some of that stuff - this article at buddhist geeks looks most coherent http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2010/10/sc ... xperience/
"When you meditate, don't send your mind outside. Don't fasten onto any knowledge at all. Whatever knowledge you've gained from books or teachers, don't bring it in to complicate things. Cut away all preoccupations, and then as you meditate let all your knowledge come from what's going on in the mind. When the mind is quiet, you'll know it for yourself. But you have to keep meditating a lot. When the time comes for things to develop, they'll develop on their own. Whatever you know, have it come from your own mind.
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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby Cloud » Fri Dec 17, 2010 6:44 am

Astronauts who passed out from heavy G's experienced these same things; this would suggest, as it has to NASA, that these experiences in fact have nothing to do with death. It happens when the brain is under severe stress and all but shuts down for a time.

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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby Peril » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:52 am

It's more likely that when we die it will come as a very sudden and unexpected which IMO would "bypass" the whole dying-brain experience.

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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby Paññāsikhara » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:14 am

Cloud wrote:Astronauts who passed out from heavy G's experienced these same things; this would suggest, as it has to NASA, that these experiences in fact have nothing to do with death. It happens when the brain is under severe stress and all but shuts down for a time.


As Pim van Lommel's studies have shown, these occur when the patient is brain dead already, no pulse, no breath, flatline on the ECG.
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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby IanAnd » Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:10 pm

old dead wood wrote: Would mindfulness practiced pre-death change / negate / bypass any of these experiences, in your opinion ?

When you are confronted with these after-death, how would you practice, whether they be heavenly or hellish ?

With mindfulness and equanimity. If you understand (and, better yet, experience) the cessation of all formations, then you should understand how this would apply.

Better questions to ask in light of the phenomena of NDE might be: Who is trying to influence my thinking? And for what purpose?

The answers to these one might find to be quite intriguing, to say the least.
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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby Nibbida » Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:31 am

Cloud wrote:Astronauts who passed out from heavy G's experienced these same things; this would suggest, as it has to NASA, that these experiences in fact have nothing to do with death. It happens when the brain is under severe stress and all but shuts down for a time.


Most people don't know this, but full-blown NDEs also happen with migraines and epileptic seizures, also cases where the person is nowhere near dying. I know someone who sees herself as if her consciousness is hovering over her body when she has a migraine.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/ ... APHIC.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/healt ... 3shad.html

NDEs neither confirm nor deny what happens after death. They are just experiences.
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Re: NDE Elements & Buddhist Experience

Postby Cloud » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:27 am

I'm not surprised. Anything to cling to, right? :)


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