Fixed reference point

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Fixed reference point

Postby cuno » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:33 am

Hi folks;
Nowadays without a fixed reference point I am getting lost, overcome by the waves of change flowing round and round within my mind. In the busyness of my life, I need to have a reference point to anchor my attention to. This is like an aid to help maintain presence of my mind. And I am very upset about Why I can't stay in a non-doing state. :cry:
I am very curious if Echart,Osho,Maharaj or any other enlightened people ever used a fixed reference point (breath,touch point etc)when they are in a constant state of struggle in their daily lives after they are enlightened.

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Re: Fixed reference point

Postby Individual » Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:22 pm

This question seems incoherent. What Eckhart, Osho, and Maharaj taught has nothing to do with Theravada Buddhism.

Now, a question: With what reference point do you obsess over having a fixed reference point?
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Re: Fixed reference point

Postby Virgo » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:22 pm

cuno wrote:Hi folks;
Nowadays without a fixed reference point I am getting lost, overcome by the waves of change flowing round and round within my mind. In the busyness of my life, I need to have a reference point to anchor my attention to. This is like an aid to help maintain presence of my mind. And I am very upset about Why I can't stay in a non-doing state. :cry:
I am very curious if Echart,Osho,Maharaj or any other enlightened people ever used a fixed reference point (breath,touch point etc)when they are in a constant state of struggle in their daily lives after they are enlightened.

Cuno
It sounds like vatta. Use a daily abhyanga massage oil that corresponds with your dosha. This will ground you in a matter of days, perhaps a week.

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Re: Fixed reference point

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:57 pm

cuno wrote:Hi folks;
Nowadays without a fixed reference point I am getting lost, overcome by the waves of change flowing round and round within my mind. In the busyness of my life, I need to have a reference point to anchor my attention to. This is like an aid to help maintain presence of my mind. And I am very upset about Why I can't stay in a non-doing state. :cry:
I am very curious if Echart,Osho,Maharaj or any other enlightened people ever used a fixed reference point (breath,touch point etc)when they are in a constant state of struggle in their daily lives after they are enlightened.

Cuno


There is always a mala if you want something tactile. I have heard coming back to the breath recommended when one gets carried away by thought and emotion. I have used the hara, touching my finger and thumb together, and breath. These days i use the sense of background awareness.

I dont know which specific teachers might have recommended what, but you might also try just being mindful of whats coming up and just watching it. If you can see it you arent embedded in it, so thats good anyway :)
"Even if you've read the whole Canon and can remember lots of teachings; even if you can explain them in poignant ways, with lots of people to respect you; even if you build a lot of monastery buildings, or can explain inconstancy, stress, and not-self in the most detailed fashion ... The only thing that serves your own true purpose is release from suffering.

"And you'll be able to gain release from suffering only when you know the one mind."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai ... eleft.html
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Re: Fixed reference point

Postby Virgo » Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:14 pm

Virgo wrote:
cuno wrote:Hi folks;
Nowadays without a fixed reference point I am getting lost, overcome by the waves of change flowing round and round within my mind. In the busyness of my life, I need to have a reference point to anchor my attention to. This is like an aid to help maintain presence of my mind. And I am very upset about Why I can't stay in a non-doing state. :cry:
I am very curious if Echart,Osho,Maharaj or any other enlightened people ever used a fixed reference point (breath,touch point etc)when they are in a constant state of struggle in their daily lives after they are enlightened.

Cuno
It sounds like vatta. Use a daily abhyanga massage oil that corresponds with your dosha. This will ground you in a matter of days, perhaps a week.

Kevin

The oils are thick, rich, and heavy. They cover your whole body and soak into the dhatus, healing them and transferring herbs into the system. Because your whole body is covered with this thick, rich oil, a certain percentage of your mind is in your body even when you are thinking of something else, attracted there by the physical sensation of the oil that covers all of your skin. This grounds you and brings you down into your body for a while. Even after washing it off, a layer stays and soaks into your skin, grounding you and healing your body.

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Re: Fixed reference point

Postby kirk5a » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:37 am

I think what might be helpful here is developing body-awareness/energy that is not so head-centered, that is in the core of body, more stable and not so sensitive to the whirlwind. You might find the instructions here helpful in that regard, especially the parts about spreading awareness throughout the body found in the section "Method 2":

http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books ... n_Mind.htm
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