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Human reborn as Human

Postby andyn » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:54 pm

In the Sutra, Buddha said "Those whose in human form die and reborn as human can be compared to the dirt in my finger, while those in human form die and reborn in the realm of hungry ghosts, animals, and hells can be compared to the dirt in of the whole earth". If this is to understand literally, the ratio of dirt in the whole earth is more than billions of billions of dirt in finger, that means if our current earth population of 6.9 billion people die, then nobody will be reborn as human? Thus, doesn't making so much sense, since then our cultivation would be wasted?

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Re: Human reborn as Human

Postby Aloka » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:14 pm

Hi andyn,

Perhaps it isn't meant to be interpreted literally ?


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Postby octathlon » Fri Dec 24, 2010 4:35 pm

What about the huge increase in human population in the last 200 years? There were only < 200 million people during Buddha's time and population didn't pass 1 billion until 1800. Now there are 7 billion. So in Buddha's time the population was about a quarter of 1% of the current population. There is much more opportunity for beings to be born as human now. Does it have anything to do with the merit of beings? Or, does Buddhism teach that there are human realms other than Earth so that Earth's population is irrelevant?
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I suspect this subject is not mentioned anywhere. :juggling:

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Postby Virgo » Sat Dec 25, 2010 5:35 pm

Hello, people born in other realms such as hell, hungry ghosts, deva realms, etc. can be reborn as humans based on some past good kamma, this means there will always be people being born into the human realm. What the Buddha seems to be saying is that most humans go to the lower realms after they die because of generating negative kamma, that is all. Taken altogher, this doesn't mean that the human population must decrease.

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Re: Human reborn as Human

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Re: Human reborn as Human

Postby son of dhamma » Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:18 pm

The point is that population within existential planes is in constant flux. The human plane is part of this cosmic enfold, and according to the differentiating kammic energy of the beings within our world-system (the single world, not the chiliocosm) the four lower planes, the six sensual pleasure planes, and the intermediate human plane convulse together quite rapidly compared to the entire scheme of our trichiliocosm (thousand-thousand-thousandfold system, or billionfold world-system). The human population is increasing not only because the opportunity for human life is increasing, but primarily because of a kammic influx of beings into the human state. This is supposed to occur, and especially in our world in consideration that we live in a Five-Buddha-kappa, nearing the final series of antarakappas (smallest aeons) in which the final Sammasambuddha shall arise, Metteyya. Eventually, this accumulating influx of beings is going to cause a mass expurgation of beings. This happens tremulously with the end of the mahakappa. And again the same accumulation-expurgation effect takes place after 8 mahakappas, upon which duration the entire thousandfold system is destroyed. And again it takes place after 64 mahakappas--or upon 8 destructive cycles of the thousandfold system--upon which duration the entire millionfold system is destroyed. This accumulation-expurgation effect, of course does not apply to the entire billionfold-system (the absolute extent of our material universe), in which the fourth-jhanic planes are never destroyed. The Formless realm is also never destroyed and encompasses innumerable material universes within infinite space. So, although there is indeed a reception of beings from the greater world-systems, which do ascend from other worlds, there is in fact no influx of human beings from other worlds during the last asankheyyakappa of a mahakappa. This influx (and correspondingly consequent expurgation) primarily consists of beings of our single world (the eleven sensual planes and first three brahma planes, up to Mahabrahma).
If it would happen that human beings are exterminated on this world--as you proposed in your original question--then that would be the accumulative effect of kammic influx into this plane. The cultivation of kamma cannot be wasted, it would simply mean that no one is to be reborn in the human plane. It is a natural tendency of the cosmos. If our species were to become extinct then there is virtually no opportunity for a revolution in time for the destruction of the world. The ascension of beings into higher realms would begin to take place and there wouldn't be sufficient kamma for human revolution.
This is all according to cosmic cycles due to the kamma of descending (forming world) and ascending (dissolving world) beings. According to the Buddha, there is NOT going to be a mass expurgation of human beings because Metteyya is destined to arise before the destruction of the world. In summation, the question has been rendered absolutely moot.
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Re: Human reborn as Human

Postby cooran » Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:57 pm

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---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---


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