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Never to be enlightenment

Postby unspoken » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:05 pm

I remembered that the Buddha said if you killed either an Arahant or your parents, you will straight get into hell and never to be born back up to the human realm or above it, and could not reach Nibbana at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And again we all reborn and reborn until the level of could not trace back all our lives. So I wonder, in that infinite lives of ours, it's hard to tell that we did not killed our parents before right? So how do we born again back to the human realm?

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Re: Never to be enlightenment

Postby ground » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:38 pm

unspoken wrote:I remembered that the Buddha said if you killed either an Arahant or your parents, you will straight get into hell and never to be born back up to the human realm or above it, and could not reach Nibbana at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And again we all reborn and reborn until the level of could not trace back all our lives. So I wonder, in that infinite lives of ours, it's hard to tell that we did not killed our parents before right?


336. Bhikkhus, in the peninsular of India there are a few pleasant orchards, forests, outstanding sites, stretches of water but many irregular blocks of land, irregular rivers flowing disorderly, forming uneven shapes. In the same manner a few humans who leave the human corpse are born among humans many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

337. In the same manner a few gods that leave divinity are reborn among gods many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

338. In the same manner a few gods that leave divinity are reborn as humans, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

339.Bhikkhus, in the same manner a few released from hell are reborn human, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

340.Bhikkhus, a few released from hell are reborn with the gods, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few who leave behind the animal world are reborn as humans, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few who leave behind the animal world are reborn as gods, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few ghosts are reborn among humans, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few ghosts are reborn among gods, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.
http://www.mahindarama.com/e-tipitaka/A ... n1-296.htm



unspoken wrote:So how do we born again back to the human realm?

Actually the cessation of births is the goal of practice according to the verbal teachings of the suttas in the Pali canon. However a human birth is the optimum prerequisite for attaining this cessation.
And perfect ethical conduct is the prerequisite for human birth. Giving and so forth included.


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Re: Never to be enlightenment

Postby unspoken » Mon Dec 27, 2010 3:23 pm

TMingyur wrote:
unspoken wrote:I remembered that the Buddha said if you killed either an Arahant or your parents, you will straight get into hell and never to be born back up to the human realm or above it, and could not reach Nibbana at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

And again we all reborn and reborn until the level of could not trace back all our lives. So I wonder, in that infinite lives of ours, it's hard to tell that we did not killed our parents before right?


336. Bhikkhus, in the peninsular of India there are a few pleasant orchards, forests, outstanding sites, stretches of water but many irregular blocks of land, irregular rivers flowing disorderly, forming uneven shapes. In the same manner a few humans who leave the human corpse are born among humans many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

337. In the same manner a few gods that leave divinity are reborn among gods many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

338. In the same manner a few gods that leave divinity are reborn as humans, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

339.Bhikkhus, in the same manner a few released from hell are reborn human, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.

340.Bhikkhus, a few released from hell are reborn with the gods, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few who leave behind the animal world are reborn as humans, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few who leave behind the animal world are reborn as gods, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few ghosts are reborn among humans, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts. In the same manner a few ghosts are reborn among gods, many more are reborn in hell, in the animal world and as ghosts.
http://www.mahindarama.com/e-tipitaka/A ... n1-296.htm



unspoken wrote:So how do we born again back to the human realm?

Actually the cessation of births is the goal of practice according to the verbal teachings of the suttas in the Pali canon. However a human birth is the optimum prerequisite for attaining this cessation.
And perfect ethical conduct is the prerequisite for human birth. Giving and so forth included.


So it means that even those who killed their parents with intention, will be born in hell. But its not permanent that they stay in hell and will again, when they run out of bad karma, born again to any realm?

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Re: Never to be enlightenment

Postby ground » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:07 pm

unspoken wrote:So it means that even those who killed their parents with intention, will be born in hell. But its not permanent that they stay in hell and will again, when they run out of bad karma, born again to any realm?


The fact that those are born in hell straight away just means that there is no interim birth in another realm in between. Because generally there is not strict sequential relationship between deeds in one lifetime and the kind of birth in the next lifetime.

What the Buddha taught is that it is very rare to get out of hell once "one" is born there. Also the lifetime in hell is tremendously long in comparison to human life and so is the suffering and its intensity.
But principally there is nothing that is permanent. Everything is impermanent. The effect of an uncalculable number of births and the corresponding conducts cannot be calculated.


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Re: Never to be enlightenment

Postby bazzaman » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:40 am

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Re: Never to be enlightenment

Postby unspoken » Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:33 pm

I understand now. Thank you for the help and bring the dhamma to me, bazzaman and TMingYur.

May both of you be well and happy always

With Metta


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