m0rl0ck wrote:Are there hostile spiritual forces? What are they?
As for us, we still lie under the sway of Maras of various kinds. These intimidating Maras are called Kilesa-Maras, the demons of defilement. The big ones, the really infamous ones, are greed, aversion, and delusion. These are the famous ones. As for the ones that stay more in the background, behind the scenes, those are kama-tanha, craving for sensuality, struggling to get things in ways that are offensive to the Dhamma; bhava-tanha, craving for things to be this way or that; and vibhava-tanha, craving that things not happen. For instance, once we've gained wealth, we don't want to lose it; once we've gained status, we don't want anyone to wipe out the edge we have over others. This is vibhava-tanha. These three forms of craving are also demons of defilement, but they're not very well known. Only once in a long, long while do you hear anyone mention their names.
Anicca wrote:Only m0rl0ck can say what he meant .
If he meant beings - then the answer is Asuras.
We all answered assuming forces - that which deforms ...
No, I didnt realize that knowing what I meant was prerequisite for postingm0rl0ck wrote:Anicca wrote:If he meant beings - then the answer is Asuras.
could you expand on that?
The asuras, known for their fierce anger, later became classed as angry demons ...
and he says even visiting hell can be enjoyableHungry shades come in all different shapes and sizes — really entertaining, the hungry shades.
Unfortunately, he says nothing of Asuras.you can go sightseeing in hell. It's nice and relaxing. You can play with the denizens of hell, fool around with the denizens of hell. Any of them who have only a little bad kamma can come up and chat with you, to send word back to their relatives. Once you get back from touring around hell you can tell the relatives to make merit in the dead person's name.
The state of an Asura reflects the mental state of a human being obsessed with force and violence, always looking for an excuse to get into a fight, angry with everyone and unable to maintain calm or solve problems peacefully.
Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:Ven Dhammika describes believing whatever is written in the texts as "Flat Earth Buddhism," but that is not how I describe it. Flat Earth Buddhism, for me, means dismissing whatever is beyond your own personal experience.
For example, if one stands on the cliff tops at Dover, one can see France, and even a Flat Earth Buddhist can rightly conclude that land exists on the other side of the English Channel without crossing the channel, whereas a Spherical Earth Buddhist can come to the same conclusion without even visiting Dover, let alone visiting France.
If one stands on the cliffs in Cornwall, it is not possible to see America. The Flat Earth Buddhist should conclude that America does not exist. Fortunately, early explorers who gained confidence in their ability to navigate, ventured out beyond the sight of dry land, and discovered new continents. They learnt that the earth was not flat. At first, their knowledge was patchy and inaccurate, but as more mariners successfully navigated the oceans they were able to draw better maps. Today, space travel leaves no doubt about the shape of the earth.
The Spherical Earth Buddhists will believe those who say that other realms exist even though they are not able to see them personally. They will rightly conclude that these realms exist by examining the teachings thoroughly and verifying their integrity through personal experience. The greater their knowledge and experience of the Buddha's teaching, the more clearly they can understand the extraordinary powers that the Buddha possessed. Of course, the ability to read and interpret maps correctly is not the same as actually being able to travel to distant places.
khlawng wrote:Better to put such curiosity and energy into pursuing and practicing the path and develop vision, insight, discernment, illumination and knowledge that may one day answer your questions on them anyway.
khlawng wrote:My point is that it is difficult to answer direct questions on them with certainty because aside from what is mentioned in the scriptures and suttas, a lot of the views on spirits and ghosts are also shaped by different cultural believes, the media, pranksters, personal experience and tales that have been passed on from generation to generation. Better to put such curiosity and energy into pursuing and practicing the path and develop vision, insight, discernment, illumination and knowledge that may one day answer your questions on them anyway.
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