Moggalana wrote:My own dreams often seem to be in a state of 'semi-lucidity', meaning that 'something' is watching the dream but not completely lucid about the fact that it's just a dream. There was, however, one dream where I became completely aware of the fact that I was just dreaming, and that feeling was accompanied by great joy and bliss. It was quite an interesting experience. I had some freedom of choice but could not control the dream state fully. For example, my dream body was able to walk through a glass door but got stuck while trying to walk through a concrete wall. I could jump into the air and hover a couple of meters above the ground but got pulled back when I was trying to really fly away.
octathlon wrote:You probably got stuck in the concrete wall because a thought of doubt occurred to you, like "wait, I can't go through concrete".
Moggalana wrote:There was, however, one dream where I became completely aware of the fact that I was just dreaming, and that feeling was accompanied by great joy and bliss. It was quite an interesting experience. I had some freedom of choice but could not control the dream state fully.
Finding your hands in your dreams is the first pointer; then the exercise of paying attention is elongated to finding objects, looking for specific features, such as buildings, streets and so on. From there the jump is to dream about specific places at specific times of the day. The final stage is drawing the attention of the nagual to focus on the total self.
That final stage is usually ushered in by a dream that many of us have had at one time or another, in which one is looking at oneself sleeping in bed. By the time a sorcerer has had such a dream, his attention has been developed to such a degree that instead of waking himself up, as most of us would do in a similar situation, he turns on his heels and engages himself in activity, as if he were acting in the world of everyday life.
From that moment on there is a breakage, a division of sorts in the otherwise unified personality. The result of engaging the attention of the nagual and developing it to the height and sophistication of our daily attention of the world is the other self, an identical being as oneself, but made in dreaming .
There are no definite standard steps for reaching that double, as there are no definite steps for us to reach our daily awareness. We simply do it by practicing. In the act of engaging our attention of the nagual , we find the steps. Practice dreaming without letting your fears make it into an encumbering production.
Moth wrote:Anyone have any experience with this? If I meditate in bed and fall asleep sometimes I have the experience of being in my room, outside of my body. While I'm in this state I can move through the house, fly, float through walls, etc. It's pretty fun but it usually only lasts a few minutes, then I wake up.
Anicca wrote:octathlon wrote:(I know this sounds new-agey, but I'm not sure how to describe it)
psuedo-Buddhist - not a Theravadin site - but better than Don Juan - maybe?
octathlon wrote:Since you are experiencing this a lot, and we are in the Lounge, I have a few suggestions (I'm just curious to compare experiences). When this happens, look around very closely at your room. Do you notice that it isn't really your room? There will be differences, like furniture looks different or is in a different place, etc. -- a mental projection that you are just interpreting to be your actual room, not an "out of body" travel, but a lucid dream.
Another thing is, does it seem kind of dark in your room and dim/hard to see when you have these? if you work up enough "energy" before initiating this (I know this sounds new-agey, but I'm not sure how to describe it), you can have much more intense and vivid lucid dreams than that.
Moth wrote:I want to elaborate on my question. Do you guys/girls think that this sort of thing can beneficial it terms of practicing the Dhamma? I've yet to read any Suttas that mention dreams but I always found them to be quite insightful.