All this sounds very similar to the descriptions of OBE, though this is not explicitely one.Kevatta (Kevaddha) Sutta: To Kevatta
"And what is the miracle of psychic power? There is the case where a monk wields manifold psychic powers. Having been one he becomes many; having been many he becomes one. He appears. He vanishes. He goes unimpeded through walls, ramparts, and mountains as if through space. He dives in and out of the earth as if it were water. He walks on water without sinking as if it were dry land. Sitting cross-legged he flies through the air like a winged bird. With his hand he touches and strokes even the sun and moon, so mighty and powerful. He exercises influence with his body even as far as the Brahma worlds.
Sacha it might help you to make a brief study of logic.
Its quite clear that the Sutta is referring to an entirely different order of phenomenon. One that is an attainment of an advanced nature, Not a natural phenomenon that can be experienced under anaesthetic or as a result of trauma.
PeterB wrote:There is a huge difference between phenomena that happen irrespective of the cultivation of Dhamma and those that are the result of such cultivation.
And experience of the "Astral body " are reported under anasaethesia, and under narcotic and alcoholic stupours,this clearly is of a different order to experiences that happen as a result of the Jhanas. Although they might have a superficial resemblence.
PeterB wrote:Are you suggesting that the phenomena described in the Sammannaphala Suta along with the other indicators of Jhana can be accessed by non Buddhist meditation or without intention ?
But, and this is the important point...even if it could be shown to exist in a literal sense it would be irrelevant in terms of Dhamma.
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